CONTENTS
READING AND RECEIVING
PETITIONS
Saskatoon Business
Gives Back to the Community
Museum Volunteers
Restore Heritage Vehicles
Bird Count Volunteers
Contribute to Science
Honouring Volunteers
During National Volunteer Week
New Visual Arts Centre
in Moosomin Is a Haven for Artistic Expression
New Rare Earth
Processing Facility Attracts Investment
Cost of Living and
Federal Carbon Tax
Contract Nurses and Health Care Staffing
Support for Education and Meeting with Parent
Provision of Surgical
Procedures and Contract with Private Company
Government’s Fiscal Management and Irrigation Project
Emergency Hotel Stays Paid by Social Services
Crime Rates and Policing Services
PRESENTING REPORTS BY
STANDING AND SPECIAL COMMITTEES
Standing Committee on
the Economy
Cost of Living,
Affordability, and Federal Carbon Tax
Motion No. 4 —
Legislation Regarding Transparency and Accountability
FOURTH
SESSION — TWENTY-NINTH LEGISLATURE
of
the
Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan
DEBATES
AND PROCEEDINGS
(HANSARD)
N.S.
Vol. 65 No. 49A Thursday, April 18,
2024, 10:00
[The Assembly met at 10:00.]
[Prayers]
The Speaker: — I would like to table the annual
report from the Ombudsman and Public Interest Disclosure Commissioner, pursuant
to subsection 38(1) of The Ombudsman Act, 2012 and section 23(1) of the
public interest disclosure commissioner Act. The Ombudsman has submitted the
annual reports for the year 2023.
The Speaker: — Joining us today in my gallery is
Sharon Pratchler, Ombudsman and Public Interest Disclosure Commissioner. Seated
with her from her team are Kathy Willerth, Ziad Alhusseini, Ryan Kennedy. These
individuals are responsible for dealing with the 3,660 requests for assistance
the Ombudsman received last year and helped with the preparation of the annual
report to the legislature. Please join me in welcoming them to the Legislative
Assembly.
I
recognize the member from Kelvington-Wadena.
Mr. Nerlien: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s my
pleasure today to introduce a couple of guests in the west gallery. First is my
dear wife who is my wife next month of — and I’d like the member from Saskatoon
to note this — 47 years next month.
And
seated beside her is my daughter Angela Wright. Angela is an InSite field
project manager for Clean Harbors. She works at a Suncor site in the hazardous
waste management field, a Suncor site north of Edmonton, and we’re extremely
proud of the work that she does. And I’d like all of my colleagues to welcome
them to their Legislative Assembly.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Melville-Saltcoats.
Mr. Kaeding: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To you and
through you and all members of the Assembly, seated in your gallery, I would
like to welcome to his Assembly, number 68 from the Saskatchewan Roughriders,
Noah Zerr. We grow them big in Melville-Saltcoats, Mr. Speaker. Noah is a
constituent from Langenburg. His mom, Patti, is a school principal in
Churchbridge. His dad, Rob, is a U of S [University of Saskatchewan] Huskie
football alumni and farms with his brother in Langenburg.
Noah
graduated at the Yorkton Regional High School and was a proud Yorkton Raider.
Noah is a U of S Huskie who played 41 games with the Huskies from 2016 to 2021.
Noah was drafted 12th overall and started his career with the BC [British
Columbia] Lions, but we are very happy to have Noah back in Saskatchewan where
he is proudly wearing the green and white.
Noah
and I will be visiting with his favourite Rider, the Minister of Social
Services, after question period. I’d like all members to welcome Noah Zerr to
his Legislative Assembly.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
Rosemont.
Mr. Wotherspoon: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s a real
honour to join with the member from Melville-Saltcoats, Mr. Speaker, to welcome
Noah Zerr to his Assembly, Mr. Speaker. Welcome back to Saskatchewan. Wonderful
to have him on the Riders here this year.
There
might be a little snow out there today, Mr. Speaker, but Rider camp is just
around the corner, and we’re looking forward to a really great season ahead of
us. We wish him well. We wish our new coach, Corey Mace, and the whole team
well, Mr. Speaker, and you know, we’ll all be in Mosaic Stadium soon enough
cheering for the green and white.
And,
Noah, thank you very much for your leadership in this province. We wish you all
the best this season.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Centre.
Ms. Nippi-Albright: — Miigwech, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased
to present the following petition. The folks who signed this petition wish to
bring to your attention that Saskatchewan needs legislation to ensure
provincial duty-to-consult is fulfilled and is carried out with the honour of
the Crown. And the Sask Party government voted against duty-to-consult
legislation, and also they continue to move forward with duty-to-consult processes
without fulfilling constitutional obligations set through the many court cases.
I’ll
read the prayer:
We, in the prayer that reads as follows, respectfully
request that the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan call on the Government of
Saskatchewan to enshrine duty-to-consult into law by enacting the meaningful
duty-to-consult legislation.
The
folks who signed this petition reside in Prince Albert. I do so present.
The Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of Social
Services.
Hon. Mr. Makowsky: — It’s a pleasure today to bring
forward the petition, Mr. Speaker, saying, we, the undersigned residents of the
province of Saskatchewan, wish to bring to your attention the following:
whereas the Trudeau Liberal-NDP [New Democratic Party] coalition carbon tax is
one of the main causes of affordability issues and inflation in the nation of
Canada; that the federal Liberal-NDP government was politically motivated in
issuing a carve-out for home heating oil; and that the Government of
Saskatchewan’s decision to not collect or remit the carbon tax on home heating
in Saskatchewan has led to a drop in inflation; further, that despite the
decision to not charge the carbon tax on home heating, Saskatchewan families
continue to pay that tax out of pocket at the pumps, grocery stores, and more.
So:
We, in the prayer that reads as follows, respectfully
request that the Legislative Assembly take the following action: to call upon
the Government of Canada to immediately suspend the carbon tax across the nation
of Canada and acknowledge its significant impact on affordability and
inflation.
The
below undersigned are residents of Martensville and Saskatoon. I so present.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Meewasin.
Mr. Teed: — Mr. Speaker, I’m on my feet to
present our petition to the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan calling on the
government to repeal Bill 137. And I will ask the Minister of Justice to listen
up, if she thinks I will ever be quiet while her government runs roughshod over
queer and trans rights.
The
undersigned residents would like to bring to your attention the following: that
Bill 137 unfairly targets queer and trans youth; that queer and trans youth are
at higher risk of self-harm and suicide when their identities are not affirmed
and represent the most vulnerable youth in our schools; that Bill 137 forces
teachers to non-consensually out vulnerable queer and trans youth to their
parents if they request to go by a name and pronoun that suits their gender
identity, and in doing so is in direct contravention of The Saskatchewan
Human Rights Code, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the
human rights of the child as it pertains to the human rights of children.
Mr.
Speaker, I will read the prayer:
We, in the prayer that reads as follows, respectfully
request that the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan call on the Government of
Saskatchewan to immediately repeal Bill 137 and authentically engage with
educators, parents, students, and subject matter experts to develop and
implement 2SLGBTQIA+ affirming policies at all levels of our government and
province, and implement evidence-based sexual health education for all
students.
The
undersigned reside in Regina. I do so present.
The Speaker: — I just want to caution the member
from Saskatoon Meewasin about the content of your petition. These shouldn’t be
a debatable item, and a bit of a personal shot there is not welcome.
Next
petition. I recognize the member from Regina Coronation Park.
Mr. Burki: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The
undersigned residents of the province of Saskatchewan wish to bring to your
attention the following: Saskatchewan people are struggling to keep up with the
increased cost of food, shelter, and basic necessities, as wages have not kept up
with the rate of inflation; that according to an October 2023 Angus Reid poll,
more than one-third of people in Saskatchewan are struggling with the cost of
living; that the Saskatchewan Party government could not provide immediate
cost-of-living relief by suspending the 15‑cent-a-litre provincial gas
tax; the Saskatchewan NDP and the Canadian Taxpayers Federation among others
have been calling for immediate gas relief; that the other jurisdictions such
as Alberta, Ontario, Manitoba, and Newfoundland have suspended or reduced their
provincial fuel tax to make life more affordable for the residents of their
province.
We, the undersigned, read in the prayer as follows:
respectfully request the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan to call on the
Government of Saskatchewan to suspend collection of the provincial fuel tax
from gasoline and diesel to provide tax relief, provide relief to the
residents.
The
signatories of this petition reside in Muskoday, Saskatchewan. I do so present.
Deputy Clerk:
— According to order, a petition concerning the immediate suspension of
the carbon tax across the nation of Canada and acknowledgement of its impact on
affordability and inflation, presented on April 17th, 2024, has been reviewed
and pursuant to rule 16(7) is found to be irregular and therefore cannot be
read and received.
The
Speaker:
— I recognize the member from Saskatoon Nutana.
Ms. Ritchie: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Prairie
Proud is another local-owned business that calls the Broadway business district
in my constituency of Saskatoon Nutana home. Entrepreneur Cole Thorpe founded
Prairie Proud in April 2014, starting the business in a spare bedroom of his apartment.
The business has evolved over the years to include a website, pop-up shops,
collaborations with other businesses, and the business’s storefront is now
located on Broadway Avenue. Cole continues to design all of Prairie Proud’s
products, and Prairie Proud was founded on the cornerstones of passion,
community, and quality.
And
the business proudly believes in giving back to the community. Prairie Proud
supports causes across Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, with money from
each item they sell donated directly towards various organizations in prairie
communities, including residential school survivors, STARS [Shock Trauma Air
Rescue Service], Ronald McDonald House, City Hospital Foundation, and the
Children’s Hospital Foundation, just to name a few. Donations have totalled
over $100,000 into these and many other prairie organizations.
Prairie
Proud proves that prairie people, a sense of community, and coming together for
the betterment of all sets the prairies apart. I am so happy to recognize Prairie
Proud, their business philosophy, and their contributions to the communities
across Saskatchewan and beyond.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from Cut
Knife-Turtleford.
Mr. Domotor: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker,
the Manitou Pioneers Museum in Neilburg has started something called shop night
every Wednesday. Chris Makey, a foreman for the RM [Rural Municipality] of
Buffalo, and who also chairs the museum’s machinery committee, came up with the
idea.
Mr.
Speaker, what is shop night, you might ask. It’s a group of volunteers that
have met every Wednesday night since November of 2022 to help restore old
donated tractors and trucks to get them ready for display at the museum.
There’s a high interest, Mr. Speaker, from the volunteers to restore vintage
vehicles. Shop night is said to be a great evening of camaraderie and a sense
of accomplishment to see antique tractors and vehicles resume to running
condition once again.
All
of this great work takes place inside a new museum wing called building C that
has been a work-in-progress since 2017. The goal is to display the restored
vehicles in the building. The volunteer group ranges anywhere from five to
eight guys each Wednesday evening, Mr. Speaker. Shop night has motivated people
to take an active interest in the museum once again.
Mr.
Speaker, I ask that all members of this Assembly join me in congratulating
Chris Makey and all of the Wednesday shop night volunteers for their active
interest in their local museum and preserving the heritage of Saskatchewan.
Thank you.
[10:15]
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
Walsh Acres.
Mr.
Clarke:
— Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my honour to rise today during National
Volunteer Week to recognize the volunteers in Saskatchewan who participated in
the Great Backyard Bird Count from February 16th to 19th of this year.
In
Canada, Mr. Speaker, the Great Backyard Bird Count is organized by Birds Canada,
the National Audubon Society, and the Cornell Lab of Ornithology, and it calls
on people around the world to go out looking for birds and then submit their
observations into eBird, a global bird database. These data are then used by
scientists to study many aspects about bird biology.
Across
the globe over those four days in February, 7,883 species of birds were
observed. And here in Saskatchewan over 100 participants tallied 75 different
species. Species highlights included two northern pygmy-owls seen near Cold
Lake by Dan Zazelenchuk, a varied thrush and fox sparrow seen near Estevan by
Kathy Hedegard, and a gray-crowned rosy-finch seen near Southend by Laura
Messett and Nolan Hoggarth. Sharlane Toole found the most species in the
province with 36. Nick Saunders came in second with 34 species.
Now
whether you are a highly skilled birdwatcher, Mr. Speaker, or just beginning to
notice birds, the bird count encourages people to just get outside and enjoy
nature while contributing to science. I ask all members of this Legislative
Assembly to join me in congratulating the many Saskatchewan people who
participated in the Great Canadian Backyard Bird Count. Thank you.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from Wood
River.
Hon.
Mr. Marit:
— It is with heavy heart that I rise today, Mr. Speaker. On February 13th, I
was shocked to hear of the passing of my dear friend, Bob Switzer.
Bob and his wife, Gail, were involved in
the community, and they operated Sandy Bar Ranch in Aneroid, Saskatchewan. Bob
was a dedicated promoter of black Angus cattle and an advocate for the cattle
industry in Saskatchewan, across Canada, and around the world. He was a
distinguished black Angus breed champion, a judge, a promoter, a mentor, and an
industry leader.
Bob organized the first black Angus
feeder calf sale in southern Saskatchewan back in the 1970s, working to create
a market for buyers and sellers across Canada. He served the livestock industry
in leadership positions with the Canadian Angus Association, the Saskatchewan
Angus Association, Saskatchewan Stock Growers Association, and the Red Coat
Cattle Feeders association. Bob was also inducted into the Canadian Ag Hall of
Fame in 2016.
Bob
leaves behind the only thing a producer would dream of — a heartfelt legacy and
respect amongst the industry, a beautiful family, and a lot of damn nice black
Angus cattle. I send my heartfelt condolences to Bob’s four children, Beau,
Kyle, Jane, and Bailey, and his wife, Gail, and the rest of Bob’s family. A
celebration of life will be held at the ranch this Saturday at their annual
bull and heifer sale. Rest in peace, Bob.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Churchill-Wildwood.
Ms. Lambert: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker,
each April we take time to recognize the incredible contributions that
volunteers across Saskatchewan make to our quality of life. This year’s
National Volunteer Week theme is Every Moment Matters, and this year’s theme
highlights the importance of every volunteer and each contribution they make in
our communities and in our lives.
Mr.
Speaker, these are hard-working, selfless, and humble individuals. In the
sport, culture, and recreation world we know them as coaches, instructors,
leaders, board members, event planners, teachers, officials, caretakers, and so
much more. But perhaps most of all, we know them as our friends and our
neighbours.
Mr.
Speaker, more than 330,000 Saskatchewan residents volunteer in their
communities. That is almost one in three people who live here. We have the
highest rate of volunteerism in the nation, and we are known far and wide for
our volunteer ethic. Whether it is for large-scale events like the Scotties
Tournament of Hearts or local sports games, bake sales, and dance competitions,
the dedication and enthusiasm of Saskatchewan volunteers never wavers.
Mr.
Speaker, I encourage everyone to celebrate National Volunteer Week by taking a
moment to stop and thank those people who put in the hours to make our lives
and our communities better. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member for Moosomin.
Mr. Bonk: — Moosomin is abuzz with the vibrant
pulse of its flourishing arts community celebrating their recent inauguration
of a brand new visual arts centre. Nestled within the walls of the venerable
St. Alban’s Anglican Church, this establishment promises to be the creative
nucleus for Moosomin and surrounding areas. Local artisans, fuelled by passion
and dedication, have meticulously crafted a haven for artistic expression.
The
centre offers an extensive array of classes spanning diverse interests, from
traditional mediums like painting and pottery to cutting-edge pursuits such as
digital arts and photography. Catering to all demographics, after-school
programs support young enthusiasts, while evening and weekend sessions beckon
adults of varying skill levels.
The
inception of this undertaking was made possible through a three-year lease
supported by a generous $45,000 start-up grant from the town of Moosomin.
Continuous fundraising endeavours spanning a year have supplemented this
funding with the community rallying behind the cause. Donations, both monetary
and in the form of art supplies, have poured in from businesses and individuals
alike.
Looking
ahead, the visual arts centre aspires to be a bastion to local talent
envisioning a dedicated gallery space to showcase the works of gifted artists.
The realization of this vision owes much to the tireless efforts of individuals
like Krista Crellin, Terry Grant, Jacqui Beckett, and the Moosomin and District
Arts Council, whose unwavering commitment has transformed dreams into reality.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Kelvington-Wadena.
Mr. Nerlien: — Mr. Speaker, on Monday the
Saskatchewan Research Council signed a five-year agreement with the Hung Thinh
Group from Vietnam to import 3000 tonnes of rare earth carbonate per year for
five years beginning in June 2025. This carbonate will allow SRC’s
[Saskatchewan Research Council] new rare earth processing facility to produce
up to 400 tonnes of rare earth metals in 2025. These rare earth metals are
essential for modern technology, including cell phones, electric vehicles, and
robotics.
This
new SRC facility is North America’s first fully integrated commercial
demonstration rare earth processing facility. Agreements like this are made
possible by Saskatchewan’s strong trade ties with Vietnam, a country whose
agri-food exports from our province saw a 227 per cent increase this past year.
This agreement is a direct outcome of Saskatchewan’s international engagement
with Vietnam, supported by our trade and investment office which opened in
2022.
During
the province’s 2022 mission to Vietnam the Minister of Trade and Export
Development and officials met directly with HTG [Hung Thinh Group], showcasing
opportunities for collaboration with Saskatchewan.
We
are proud of the work done by both SRC and our international trade offices. The
investments they attract to this province are vital to delivering more jobs and
opportunities for our residents. Thank you.
The
Speaker: — I
recognize the member from Regina Rosemont.
Mr.
Wotherspoon: — Mr. Speaker, this Sask Party
government is out of touch and has lost the plot. Fifty-seven per cent of Saskatchewan
people are struggling just to put food on the table, food that’s been made more
expensive by Sask Party tax hikes and life that’s been made more expensive on
front after front by Sask Party tax hikes.
How does this Premier defend his record
of hiking costs and failing to deliver any fuel tax relief when families in
Saskatchewan are breaking the bank just to fill the tank and struggling to put
food on the table?
The
Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of Finance.
Hon.
Ms. Harpauer: — Thank you. You know, day after day
I’ve read into record where we have made affordability measures in this budget
that affect seniors, individuals, families, students, etc., and they’re in the
budget and listed each and every day. Thankfully the CPI [consumer price index]
is now about half the national average here in Saskatchewan.
But let’s be real and let’s acknowledge
that the largest driver of making everything more expensive is the carbon tax.
And interesting, in Ottawa the Canadian Labour Congress is meeting to plot
strategy for the next federal election to get the Trudeau-Singh government
re-elected. Both Justin Trudeau and Jagmeet Singh are addressing the meeting.
So I’m kind of curious. Is the Leader of the Opposition planning on attending
any of these meetings, meetings to help Trudeau and Singh get re-elected?
The
Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
Rosemont.
Mr.
Wotherspoon: — Mr. Speaker, I can be certain that
the Leader of the Opposition in any room and in any place will be clear with
our opposition to the federal carbon tax, just as she’ll be clear with her
opposition and our opposition to the biggest tax hike in Saskatchewan’s
history, and a government that’s made things worse with more costs and more
hikes.
You know the ways that tired and
out-of-touch government has made life more affordable, they’re short, Mr.
Speaker. But the way they’ve wasted dollars, hard-earned public dollars, well
that list is long. Just look at contract nursing agencies.
We know the cost of a private contract
nurse is through the roof higher than a nurse. We learned at committee that
they spent $59 million on private contract nurses last year. The Sask
Party says they have no idea how much they’re going to spend this year, but SUN
[Saskatchewan Union of Nurses] says they’re going to spend over
$70 million.
How does the Sask Party justify spending
$59 million on private contract nurses from out of province, dollars that
could’ve gone so much further by hiring and retaining nurses here in
Saskatchewan?
The
Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of Health.
Hon.
Mr. Hindley: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Saskatchewan
along with other provinces and territories in Canada and other health systems
across the world are experiencing shortages when it comes to health care
professionals and that includes nurses. This has led to an increased need for
contracted staff resources, which we are doing here in Saskatchewan, as I said,
as do other provinces. These contracted health staff do help to reduce service
disruptions while recruitment is under way.
Mr. Speaker, you’ve heard us talk in
this Chamber about the number of investments that have been made into
recruiting and training and hiring more nurses into Saskatchewan. In the past
12 or so months over 1,000 more nurses working in this province, either trained
in Saskatchewan or other Canadian provinces, Mr. Speaker.
As we continue to fill the vacancies
that we have when it comes to nursing, we’ll be phasing away from and phasing
out the use of contract nurses as we build the health care system here in
Saskatchewan.
The
Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
Walsh Acres.
Mr. Clarke:
— Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this tired and out-of-touch government’s
overreliance on contract nurses is proof that their human health resource plan
isn’t working. If it was, they wouldn’t have needed to spend $59 million
on contract nurses last year.
Now it’s not just the Saskatchewan NDP
who are raising concerns with the reliance on contract nurses. Forty-nine
emergency room nurses from St. Paul’s Hospital wrote to the minister this week
detailing how the overreliance on contract nurses is eroding morale and making
staffing issues worse.
What does the Minister of Health say to
those nurses who are fed up with his failures?
The
Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of Health.
Hon.
Mr. Hindley: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been
meeting with and having conversations with the nurses from St. Paul’s Hospital
in Saskatoon, as I have with other health care workers around this province. A
couple weeks ago, Mr. Speaker, I was in Kindersley, as the member for
Kindersley talked about in member statements the other day, to announce a new
practical nursing program in that community through the regional college, which
will help build capacity in rural communities.
Mr. Speaker, the health human resources
action plan of this government that was released in September of 2022 is
providing and creating real results, results that are being seen in our
communities across this province. Mr. Speaker, hundreds of health care
positions have been successfully hired, including 97 positions in the city of
North Battleford, 70 of which are nurses; in Prince Albert, 69 positions, of
which 44 of those are nurses; 47 positions in the city of Moose Jaw, 25 of
which are nurses; 30 positions in Yorkton, 11 of which are nurses. I can go on
and on, but this is the result of this health human resources action plan.
The
Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
Walsh Acres.
Mr. Clarke:
— Mr. Speaker, clearly those meetings aren’t going well if those nurses are now
sending a letter to the minister this week. I’ll read what the nurses said to
that minister: “We can find ways to attract agency nurses and keep them coming
back. Why can we not find ways to retain our own nurses?”
It’s a great question, Mr. Speaker.
What’s the Minister of Health’s answer?
The
Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of Health.
Hon.
Mr. Hindley: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaking of
meetings, some of the work that’s been done as a result of the meetings that I
have had with the nurses in Saskatoon — and the SHA [Saskatchewan Health
Authority] has had by the way as well — have resulted in the capacity pressure
action plan, both in Saskatoon and Regina. We still have some challenges there
that we need to address, but that work is happening and there are significant
dollars being implemented, invested into those action plans, Mr. Speaker.
Over 19,000 nurses call Saskatchewan
home, Mr. Speaker, and that is a growing number. It’s an increase of over 6,400
nurses since 2007. As I said earlier, over 1,000 graduate nurses have started
practising in Saskatchewan since December of 2022.
[10:30]
That work is going to continue to
happen, Mr. Speaker, as we continue to create more training seats, hire more
nurses, fill those vacancies, restore the temporary service disruptions that we
have, and build this health care system in our province.
The
Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
Walsh Acres.
Mr. Clarke:
— Mr. Speaker, it’s clear from the letter that contract nursing has gone from a
fill-in-the-gaps opportunity in the health system to becoming a baked-in,
integral part of this tired and out-of-touch government’s staffing plan. Nurses
in the hospital who do want to pick up extra shifts are told that they can’t
because the SHA has to give the shift to the contract nurses first. It’s in the
letter, Mr. Speaker.
The Sask Party spent $59 million on
contract nurses last year. SUN says it’s going to be 70 million this year.
That’s almost $300,000 per nurse. How much more will the bill be this year?
The
Speaker: — I
recognize the Minister of Health.
Hon. Mr. Hindley: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said previously,
the SHA will phase out the use of contract nurses as they find and hire
permanent full-time nurses in these positions and fill other temporary
vacancies that may exist in the health care system, Mr. Speaker.
The health
human resources action plan has well over $100 million invested in it in
this year’s budget to continue to recruit, train, incentivize, and retain
health care workers in high-priority designations across this province, Mr.
Speaker. That includes nurses. And I’ve talked previously about the investments
in nurse training seats, in the hiring of more nurses across this province —
over 19,000 nurses of all designations calling Saskatchewan home — an
announcement in this year’s budget to further implement and further utilize
nurse practitioners in this province to help build our primary care teams.
That is some
of the work that is going to be expanded upon throughout this province, Mr.
Speaker, and continuing to fill those vacancies so that we can build the best
possible health care system that we can here in Saskatchewan.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina University.
Ms. A. Young: — Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Job action
with the teachers has gone on for months, and earlier this week we had a mom,
grieving the loss of her child, who had come to the legislature to have her
voice heard. She was here to talk about the impacts that this government’s cuts
have had on classrooms.
Parents,
teachers, students deserve so much better than they’re getting from this tired
and out-of-touch government. So a simple question to the Minister of Education:
does he think he’s good at his job?
The Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of Education.
Hon. Mr. Cockrill: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know, the news came
out last night that we’ve come to a tentative agreement between the GTBC
[government-trustee bargaining committee] and the STF [Saskatchewan Teachers’
Federation] leadership. This is good news. This
is good news for the families and students and teachers really around the province,
Mr. Speaker, to ensure that we have predictability going forward.
Mr. Speaker, I have risen in this House
numerous times to talk about the additional investments that our government has
made into education to support students all around the province: nearly a 9 per
cent increase in school operating funding for next school year; a multi-year
funding agreement to ensure that classroom supports funding is at a floor over
the next four years. I think about several of the pilot projects that we have
going on, whether it’s the specialized support classroom or the teacher
innovation support fund.
Mr. Speaker, these are investments that
this government has made in order to support the students and families in our
province. We’re going to continue doing that work. I’m excited to do that work
as minister each and every single day.
The
Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
University.
Ms.
A. Young: — Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
The question was about whether the minister is good at his job, whether or not
he is suited for the job of being Minister of Education, and it is increasingly
clear he is not.
Mr. Speaker, we’re joined again today by
Taya Thomas. Reminder to members opposite, Taya is a constituent of mine and
her oldest daughter, Mayelle, had special needs and she passed away late last
year.
After question period on Wednesday the
minister met with Taya, and when STF job action came up, he asked her — and
this is a direct quote from Taya — “What do they want me to do, give up my
first-born child?” When Taya asked the minister to check himself, pointed out
how offensive and hurtful that was to her, a mother who had just lost her
first-born child, he failed to apologize. Does he not understand how hurtful
those . . .
The
Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of
Education.
Hon.
Mr. Cockrill: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I welcome
back Taya Thomas to her Legislative Assembly. I did have the opportunity to
meet with Thomas earlier in the week. You know, in that meeting, I used an expression
that was a poor choice of words on my part, Mr. Speaker. I did apologize to Ms.
Thomas in the meeting for my choice of words.
Mr. Speaker, I have colleagues on this
side of this House who have lost children. That is incredibly difficult for a parent
to go through, something no parent should have to go through in this province.
I did apologize to Ms. Thomas. It was a poor choice of words on my part and
again I apologize for that.
The
Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
University.
Ms.
A. Young: — Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
It’s good to hear that apology today. Despite what he said in this Chamber,
that apology did not come to Taya, but I’m glad it came today. Now it’s hard to
believe that somebody who could be so careless with those words in the presence
of a grieving mom who just wants what’s best for her kids, for all kids in
Saskatchewan. She deserves an apology for that, and I’m glad she got one here
today.
But she also deserves an apology for
what the minister said in this House. During question period he encouraged her
to be more engaged with the school division, Mr. Speaker. Taya’s a great mom.
She’s engaged with the school division. She was engaged every single day that
Mayelle was there. And she was so unsettled by his words, Mr. Speaker, you know
what she did? She went back to her daughter’s classroom teachers to see if
there was more she could have done, if she could have been more engaged. That
is the impact this minister’s careless words had on Taya. The very last thing
that she deserved was a lecture from this Education minister.
Is this what people should come to
expect when they come to their legislature to advocate? That they’ll be blamed
and shamed by an increasingly out of touch and . . .
The
Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of
Education.
Hon.
Mr. Cockrill: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said, I
had the opportunity to meet with Ms. Thomas earlier this week, you know, and
was moved by her family’s story. I never said in this House that Ms. Thomas was
a bad mother. But I do believe, across the province, it is important for all
parents to be engaged in the lives of their children when it comes to
education. That’s what I’ve been consistent in saying as long as I’ve been
minister, Mr. Speaker.
And, Mr. Speaker, it is evident to me
that after meeting with Ms. Thomas, she is very engaged with the education of
her children. And I thank Ms. Thomas for being engaged and encourage all
parents to be so. Thank you.
The
Speaker: — Before we move on, I’d like to say
to the member from Regina University, you made two or three personal remarks to
the Minister of Education. You should know you’re not allowed to do that.
Please stand, withdraw, and apologize.
Ms.
A. Young: — Withdraw and apologize.
The
Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
Elphinstone-Centre.
Ms.
Conway: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are so
many unanswered questions still about the $6 million sweetheart surgery
deal this tired and out-of-touch government signed with their Sask Party donor.
The Minister of Health first said that
he had never been lobbied by former Finance minister Kevin Doherty on the file.
Then he said that he couldn’t remember what file he was lobbied on but thought
it might, well probably, well almost certainly hadn’t been about this.
The Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of Health.
Hon. Mr. Hindley: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did not
meet with this particular lobbyist group on the issue of surgeries. But while
we’re speaking of surgeries, this government is proud to have made another
record investment into our surgical program this year, $670 million for
surgeries in Saskatchewan, a $3.5 million increase over last year’s
budget, an increase of roughly $148 million from where the surgical
program was in 2007, Mr. Speaker.
We
are targeting this year completing 100,000 surgeries for patients in this
province, making sure that we’re reducing the surgical wait-list and getting
people the surgeries that they need as quickly as possible. Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
Elphinstone-Centre.
Ms. Conway: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr.
Doherty’s lobbyist filings speak to meetings on the surgical backlog with the
Minister of Health and they only show three health-related clients, again, an ambulance
company, a seniors care company, and the private surgery company that the Sask
Party gave this $6 million contract to, the same one that donated over
$14,000 to that Sask Party.
So
again is the Health minister absolutely sure that he didn’t meet with Kevin
Doherty on the surgical backlog? Yes or no?
The Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of Health.
Hon. Mr. Hindley: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I explained
earlier this week how the lobbyist registry works. For the member opposite,
just because a lobbyist firm may be listed on there does not mean they’ve
necessarily met with those MLAs [Member of the Legislative Assembly] and
discussed those particular issues. That is what they are registered to lobby
about, but whether that happens or not is a determination between the lobbyist
and that MLA and, Mr. Speaker, I did not.
Mr.
Speaker, I would say that again the government has set very ambitious surgical
targets, a number . . . you know, 100,000 surgeries we’re going to be
attempting to complete in this new fiscal year, building upon record numbers of
surgeries in the previous fiscal year and even the year before that.
We
are going to continue to make those investments to make sure that people in
this province get the surgeries that they need when they need them and build
capacity thanks to the great work of our surgical teams right across this
province, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
Elphinstone-Centre.
Ms. Conway: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So the
Health minister says he didn’t meet with Mr. Doherty on this file. Did the
Premier or the previous Health minister meet with Mr. Doherty on this file?
The Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of Health.
Hon. Mr. Hindley: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said,
we make continued investments into surgeries in this province through publicly
funded and publicly provided surgical providers but also private surgical
providers as well.
And
I know that the members opposite often want to ask about what sort of
investments are being done here in Saskatchewan, so I’ll go through some of
those, Mr. Speaker. A fifth operating theatre opened in Prince Albert in
January of 2023, allowing for increased procedure volumes as part of the health
human resources action plan. The SHA also increased perioperative training
seats, as well as implemented an accelerated operating room nurse training
program, so that we can get more operating room nurses trained on a quicker
basis to get them supporting our surgical teams in this province, Mr. Speaker.
We
continue to make record investments into our surgical program so that people
can get the surgeries that they need when they need them, Mr. Speaker. Thank
you.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Saskatchewan Rivers.
Ms. Wilson: — Mr. Speaker, at our Sask United town
halls being held all across the province, people are telling us they have lost
confidence in this government. They are getting no relief on taxes. Their
health care wait times are some of the longest in the country. Crime is out of
control. And they can’t afford groceries for their family.
Yet
they have a government that is recklessly spending tax dollars on nearly every
project. Take for example the Lake Diefenbaker irrigation project, where this
government is planning to spend 44,000 per acre. In Prince Albert they’re
spending $13 million for every new hospital bed. Mr. Speaker, the Regina
bypass worked out to be over $40 million per kilometre. Is this fiscal
responsibility? How can the government explain this? Will any member opposite
actually stand up and defend these ridiculous rates?
The Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of
Agriculture.
Hon. Mr. Marit: — The member opposite did mention the
Diefenbaker project, Mr. Speaker, and I’ll speak to that. This is a project
that we announced at the SARM [Saskatchewan Association of Rural
Municipalities] convention that we are going to move forward on the first phase
of 90,000 acres of irrigation on Lake Diefenbaker.
Mr.
Speaker, the Lake Diefenbaker was created in 1967 and the purpose of having
500,000 acres of irrigation from the reservoir. Currently only 29 per cent of
that is being utilized, about 145,000 acres.
Mr.
Speaker, let’s talk about Lake Diefenbaker and the size of the Lake Diefenbaker
reservoir itself. Mr. Speaker, that reservoir can take one metre of water and
supply water for 300,000 people for 18 years. That’s the kind of water that can
be utilized out of there. The irrigation on Lake Diefenbaker, the Lake
Diefenbaker project takes about 2.7 per cent. I’ve got lots
more . . .
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The Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Saskatchewan Rivers.
Ms. Wilson: — Mr. Speaker, the best decision of my
political career was leaving that government with answers like that. I’ve seen
their mismanagement first-hand. Now their troubles are piling up at an alarming
rate.
Mr.
Speaker, take for example the situation at the Sunrise hotel, a business that
went from receiving virtually no government contracts for temporary housing to
hundreds of thousands of dollars in contracts after the owner became a member
of this government.
Where
is the accountability and transparency? Why are the member’s hotels still under
contract receiving outrageous amounts of public funds? Why can’t we open the
books and show the public what went on?
The Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of Social
Services.
Hon. Mr. Makowsky: — Mr. Speaker, I’ve been very
transparent in giving information to the opposition as requested on several
occasions. But in terms of my involvement, Mr. Speaker, wasn’t involved. I said
that before.
And,
Mr. Speaker, on Monday, April 15th, 2024 on page 642 of Hansard, the
deputy minister of Social Services, Kimberly Kratzig, said and I quote, “I
think it’s really important to note that at no . . . [time] in any of
our use of hotels has the Minister of Social Services ever directed placement
of an individual in any hotel.”
We
have a new policy for procurement of hotels in process right now, Mr. Speaker,
from my direction. Looking forward to having more competition and more
availability if needed for vulnerable clients. We’ve been able to make
significant investments in our provincial approach to homelessness as we go
forward.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Saskatchewan Rivers.
Ms. Wilson: — Mr. Speaker, the Saskatchewan people
are tired of empty words and no action. Those who created the problem cannot be
the ones to fix it. Over half of small businesses in Saskatchewan are now
telling us they fear for the safety of their employees and their customers.
Residents and small business owners are saying it’s futile to even report
crimes because nothing is ever done.
How
can they brag and boast about their growth when businesses and offices are
closing in major cities due to the unprecedented crime levels? With so much
damage already done, why did it take so long for them to act?
The Speaker: — I recognize the Minister of Policing
and Public Safety.
Hon. Mr. Merriman: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And this
government is very proud of its record in dealing with the issues that citizens
of Saskatchewan are facing, crime in the communities. That’s why we’ve
increased our funding to our First Nation policing, our municipal policing, the
RCMP [Royal Canadian Mounted Police].
We
have a new agreement with the RCMP actually to fund positions. This is a first
in Canada. And as Assistant Commissioner Rhonda Blackmore said, this is a game
changer for her. She can now go to the federal government and be able to ask to
fill those vacant positions. Our money is on the table, Mr. Speaker, and we’re
very proud of our relationship that we have with all of our law enforcement.
And we thank them for doing that challenging work on a daily basis.
For
that member over there, Mr. Speaker, I’d like to ask if she’s in support of the
marshals service, if she’s in support of the funding because she certainly
doesn’t show it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker: — I recognize the Chair of the
Standing Committee on the Economy.
Ms. C. Young: — Mr. Speaker, I am instructed by the
Standing Committee on the Economy to report that it has considered certain
estimates and to present its seventh report, which includes the 2024‑25
estimates and 2023‑24 supplementary estimates no. 2. I move:
That the seventh report of the Standing Committee on the Economy
be now concurred in.
The Speaker: — It has been moved by the Chair:
That the seventh report of the Standing Committee on the
Economy be now concurred in.
Is
the Assembly ready for the question?
Some Hon. Members: — Question.
The Speaker: — Is it the pleasure of the Assembly
to adopt the motion?
Some Hon. Members: — Agreed.
The Speaker: — Carried.
The Speaker: — I recognize the Government Whip.
Mr. Ottenbreit: — Mr. Speaker, I wish to order
questions 7 through 9.
The Speaker: — Questions have been ordered.
The Speaker: — I recognize the member from Melfort.
Mr. Goudy: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s my
privilege this morning to be able to enter into a conversation about
affordability.
And
you know, for the last 27 years being married with my wife and raising six
children, it’s been a challenge, you know. Your parents teach you a lot of good
things by example, and then you, you know, you jump right into that thinking
you’re going to do as well as they did. There’s a lot of hurdles, Mr. Speaker,
to raising six children.
But
I do want to say that the Saskatchewan Party government, since I’ve lived in
Saskatchewan, has been the government that has set a lot of good policies, done
a lot of good things that have helped me and my family afford life, to enjoy
our time together so far in this province.
And
you know, as I was preparing this response, I looked back 50 years ago in
Saskatchewan, the same issue was facing Saskatchewan. It’s funny and on behalf
of the NDP, I will read some of a motion that they put forward 50 years ago in
this same Chamber, and yet it was concerning affordability.
And
so as I looked at their motion and our motion, I was able to see a little bit
of difference on how we think and how we perceive and, you know, what we
believe. And it’s funny the prime minister back then was a Trudeau as well. And
the province wanted to commend themselves for taking good steps to reduce the
harmful effects of inflation, and the NDP did that. And we’re going to do that
same thing now, believing that our policies and our ways of governing are good
policies that will lead to good ends.
And
you know, we’re in an agricultural province where what you sow is what you reap
and, you know, I think it’s very important to see that in choosing a government
— what are their policies and what are their plans.
So
as I was reading from the past there, it says they urged the federal government.
So they challenged the federal government at that time “. . . to take
the appropriate steps to control the cost of living by such measures as
. . .” and they go on and talk about increasing production and, you
know, government intervention in wealth creation and production.
It’s
interesting, I looked at our guiding principles of the Sask Party and then I
read the guiding principles of the NDP and, you know, it was fairly surprising
to me to see the . . . Again I had read it before into the minutes
but, “The name of the organization shall be the Saskatchewan New Democratic
Party, hereinafter referred to as ‘the Party.’”
And
you know, I lived in Albania for three years and it was interesting. The
government, the party, it was a bit . . . “The Party shall constitute
a section of the New Democratic Party of Canada.” So very clear that the
provincial NDP and the federal NDP are one of the same.
The purpose of the Party shall be to promote through
political action and other appropriate means the establishment of a co‑operative
commonwealth in which the principle regulating production and exchange will be
the supplying of human needs and not the making of profits.
And
so that’s one side’s perspective. And they were lobbying the federal government
to intervene back then. And one of the things that they were intervening about
was, Mr. Speaker, in the Leader-Post in December 13th, 1973 a headline
said, and I quote, “The high grocery bills to continue.” So they were worried
about, you know, costs of living and all the rest back then.
But
interesting enough what they were attacking was private industry and saying we
need to deal with private industry because that is what is causing our costs of
living to increase. And so here, just a quote, it says:
Dominion [like when they’re going after the increased
cost], Safeway, Dominion Stores, O.K. Economy [anybody remember the old O.K.
Economy from when we were kids?], and Loblaws and their multinational
corporation and associates, these companies make a profit in the manufacturing
of food.
And
I just thought, that is just so strange to hear. You know, where I come from,
we love it when people make profits manufacturing things. And then it said,
“They make a profit on the transportation of food.” And I again was thinking,
good for them. You know, we are making profits.
Where
I come from a good friend of mine just sold his company. That guy made profits.
And yet at the same time when I moved back to Melfort, I kept hearing about
this guy’s name, this guy’s name, this guy’s name. Everybody seemed to have a
good job, a solid, good-paying, stable job manufacturing things and making
profits.
And
then it went on to say, “And they make a profit on the buildings they rent.
They make a profit on the operation.” All of those things, when industry makes
profit it creates wealth for all of us to enjoy. And so you know, it’s just
interesting to see two different perspectives on wealth creation.
One
of the things that we all, I’m sure, hear as we go through the province and talk
about education is we need to add . . . What is the number one
addition, that sort of the catch, that we hear from parents and community
members? What needs to be added into education? Financial literacy, and we all
know it. Financial literacy. And you know what’s important about financial
literacy, Mr. Speaker, is the fact that you need to understand where does
wealth come from.
And
I mentioned Albania — not to say that, you know, Albania and the NDP Party are,
you know, connected in any way — but I just want to say that when I arrived at
that country, it was a very difficult place to live, and there was a lot of
trouble for families. You know, if you were a parent of six children, it’s a
very difficult country to have been living in under the party’s leadership.
They
all worked together, you know. They had water distribution. I had
. . . I shouldn’t say. But my stomach wasn’t working very well for 11
months because I was drinking water that the party had provided for the
community. And those pipes under the ground had rusted, and so the sewer pipes
and the water pipes had rusted and were blending. And me, the 19‑year-old
kid, wasn’t very smart, and I thought, boy, why do I still have diarrhea 11
months later? I should have probably put two and two together; I shouldn’t be
drinking this water.
And
yet that’s what came from government driving the profits and the
. . . They couldn’t afford to replace the water and sewer pipes in
their communities. They turned the water on for an hour in the morning and an
hour at night, because the more they turned it on, the more it leaked into the
ground.
So,
Mr. Speaker, our party on this side of the House stands for something, and our
guiding principle no. 1 is economic growth and job creation through
private industry, not government as the economic driver for our province —
smaller, less intrusive, more efficient government.
You
know, when I looked at the end of our discussion, the motion that’s being put
forward today, it says that we denounce the federal NDP-Trudeau coalition
government for their support of policies that have led to drastic increase in
crime, the prices of homes, groceries, and more, while continuing to burden
taxpayers with an unfair carbon tax.
And
I still love the quote from the member from Weyburn-big money . . .
Big Muddy. Big money . . . Weyburn-Big Muddy. They do have a lot of
private industry providing money for our economy in Weyburn as well.
Our
prime minister has built an inflation escalator called the carbon tax, and we
will suffer for it as long as we put . . . until we put an end to
that job-killing, soul-sucking, unconstitutional, and inflationary carbon tax.
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So
you know, we have seen two perspectives, one blaming inflation on private
industry making profits. And yet I think on this side of the House we are very
concerned about a government who has got involved in areas that they don’t
understand, and they have thought that they could put a carbon tax on all
things.
And
it’s funny, but every one of these areas — Safeway, Dominion, and O.K., all
these different industries making money — these companies make a profit on the
manufacture of food while we pay taxes and carbon tax on the manufacture of
food. They make a profit on the transportation of food. Well my goodness,
someone is taxing the transportation of food in a way that has never been taxed
before. When our farmers are drying their grain, when our farmers are
. . . whatever our farmers are doing to create food . . .
Very
interesting. One of the things that the NDP had said that they need to develop
policies and programs to increase food production and to ensure stability in
the agricultural sector. Well that was my world when I was a young man, Mr.
Speaker. And it was not the government who stepped in and said, hey, we need
zero-till technology; we need chem-fallow. Because we as an industry, private
industry has created the opportunity for Saskatchewan farmers to grow more
grain than ever was imagined possible. And we have exported that technology
around the world, not because the Canadian government could step in with the
NDP and say, we will fix things. It was so interesting. It was a little bit of
stomach turning, and I’m just kind of . . .
I
was reading through the budget, the federal budget yesterday. And you know,
something I’ve had a little bit to do with was building homes. And they are
going to . . . No worries for my part of the world. I’ll be able to
tell St. Brieux and Annaheim and all the rest, do not worry about the housing
crisis; the federal government has it under control, and they are going to fix
the housing crisis. And one of the words that they used was so funny. It says,
we’re going to turbocharge it. I thought, how are we going to turbocharge it?
They’re generally putting . . . And that’s going to reduce prices.
So
I just was shocked on so many levels. I don’t have time. I only have a few
minutes left. But if you have a chance, for a little bit of comedy, read
through the budget and some of the words. You’ll need a new term thesaurus
though, because you’ll have to understand new words that have come out there. I
jotted some of them down. It was, my goodness, “shrinkflation” they were
talking about, and they were going to tackle it though, and “de-qualification.”
It
was funny to read through. Like not that they’re . . . Not just like
in the past. The NDP is concerned about, and I totally agree with that. They
are concerned about the cost of living. And we appreciate the fact that you’re
concerned about the cost of living, as we are.
And
yet it boils down to where does money come from so that we can have an economy
that isn’t going to crash down the road. We need to be sowing seeds. And we
have chosen to put our trust not in ourselves, not in the federal government,
but in the hard-working citizens of this country and of this province. And we
would love to see those people making profits so that they can employ their
neighbours and they can employ their friends.
You
know, one of our other guiding principles is that we have a strong social safety
net in Saskatchewan to support those who are truly in need. And that’s what we
absolutely want to be able to have, is a strong economy so that we can provide
for those who are truly in need. And yet it also goes on to say, while
promoting self-sufficiency in the lives of all citizens.
And
so that is a great thing that I see. You know, you tell a person, hey, why
don’t you go out and make some profits and you’ll be able to provide for you
and your family, and then you’ll be able to, you know, maybe even hire your
neighbour. And at the end of the day, we do tax, because we do need to build
that infrastructure that they can build upon. And so we have schools and
hospitals. You know, one of the problems that we’re facing in some of our
communities is not the lack of funding, but the lack of labour.
And
you know, so as we go through all of these things, Mr. Speaker, I just want to
say that I think what it boils down to is sowing seeds for the future of our
children, not lumping, as it is being done, the $50 billion of interest
payments that our children . . . we’re putting it on the credit card.
And we talk about financial literacy. That is bad, bad, bad debt. And that came
out from this coalition.
I
was going to say something about — probably good I didn’t — but about the
codependent relationship of a narcissist and an enabler maybe down in Ottawa.
But probably good I didn’t have the chance to talk much about that. But you
know, when you get to a place where there’s a codependent relationship that is
promoting the kind of ideological bent that is spending the future of our
children’s money and saying that we’re doing it for them, that to me is child
abuse.
That this Assembly supports the Government of
Saskatchewan’s programs and policies that have led Saskatchewan to be one of
the most affordable places to live in Canada, with over $2 billion in
affordable measures included in every budget; and
That the Assembly denounces the federal NDP-Trudeau
coalition government for their support for the policies that have led to a
drastic increase in crime, the price of homes, groceries, and more while
continuing to burden taxpayers with an unfair carbon tax.
Thank you.
The Deputy Speaker: — The member from Melfort has moved:
That this Assembly supports the Government of
Saskatchewan’s programs and policies that have led Saskatchewan to be one of
the most affordable places to live in Canada, with over $2 billion in
affordability measures included in every budget; and further,
That the Assembly denounces the federal NDP-Trudeau
coalition government for their support for policies that have led to a drastic
increase in crime, the price of homes, groceries, and more while continuing to
burden taxpayers with an unfair carbon tax.
Is
the Assembly ready for the question? I recognize the member from Saskatoon
Meewasin.
Mr. Teed: — Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
It’s an honour to be on my feet. You know, there’s a lot in that 15‑minute
start to this debate to go over. But my favourite part of it all was hearing
the parable where Jesus talked about the importance of trickle-down economics.
What I really didn’t want to hear about though is Sask Party shrinkage, Mr.
Speaker.
Well
you know, this is a very timely debate. We are entering into a 75‑minute
debate motion similar to last Thursday on the cost of living. So I will thank
the members opposite the opportunity to continue to beat their failing record
on the cost of living.
Mr.
Speaker, as much as the members opposite are loath to admit it, we are living
through a generational cost-of-living crisis. One only has to knock a couple
doors to find families who are struggling to pay the bills, struggling to buy
groceries, struggling to pay rising utility rates, facing skyrocketing rent
increases.
One
only has to look at the polling, Mr. Speaker. For years we’ve been seeing this
in Saskatchewan. The number one issue facing people is cost-of-living
pressures. People are concerned. Number two, our health care system. But you
don’t have to take my word for it. I encourage all members to get out there,
knock the doors in your constituency. Listen to the people on the doorsteps.
Hear what they are dealing with, Mr. Speaker. People are struggling and they
need support.
Mr.
Speaker, the cost-of-living crisis is hitting some of the most vulnerable
members of our communities, people who are living around the poverty lines,
seniors living on fixed incomes, and folks living with disabilities. These are
the folks who are experiencing the cost-of-living crisis the hardest in our
province.
In
fact one of the largest volumes of casework that I have coming into my office
are folks who are living on SAID [Saskatchewan assured income for disability],
who are failing to meet their basic necessities because rent continues to
skyrocket, their groceries continue to skyrocket. Mr. Speaker, our office tries
to assist in these processes where the government starts to claw back those
SAID rates, but it’s truly horrifying in some cases to see that people so
vulnerable are being hit so hard by this crisis with so little done by the
government.
Mr.
Speaker, for those living around the poverty line, the expansion of the PST
[provincial sales tax] has hit them the hardest, a regressive tax that I’ll
talk about later but one that directly impacts individuals whose budgets are
the tightest.
Mr.
Speaker, people are looking to their government for action on this file. Surely
then you would think that with such clear and pressing issues facing the people
of Saskatchewan, that we would see action on behalf of this government; we
would see thoughtful policies addressing the pressing situation; that we would
have seen new ideas, new policies, and new dollars allocated to addressing the
number one issue facing Saskatchewan people.
No,
Mr. Speaker, instead we see a tired and out-of-touch government release a
provincial budget so out of touch with the needs of the people of this
province, what is happening in this province, a provincial budget with
absolutely no new dollars allocated to the crushing cost-of-living crisis. No
new policy announcements. No new initiatives to help Saskatchewan families.
Mr.
Speaker, budget 2024‑25 missed the mark on the most crushing issue of our
time. In essence they are saying to the people of Saskatchewan, “we know best.”
They continue to resort to tired and out-of-touch talking points. When
questioned and pressed on the lack of cost-of-living supports in their budget,
they say, “don’t worry about cost of living. Turn to page 75 of the budget. We
are actually the most affordable place to live.”
Our
Finance minister, who doesn’t bat an eye at an $8,000 flight for lunch, is
telling the people of Saskatchewan, who can’t afford their groceries, “just eat
cake instead.” They continue to point to some of these nebulous budget dollars
saying, “don’t worry; you live in the most affordable place. You don’t need any
additional cost-of-living relief.”
These
tired talking points are cold comfort, Mr. Speaker, to the families struggling
in Saskatchewan, cold comfort for families who are turning to the food bank in
record levels, cold comfort to a province that leads the nation in mortgage
arrears, and cold comfort to the children who are heading to the food bank —
the highest rates in the country.
Mr.
Speaker, nowhere is it more clear how tired and out of touch this government
has become than in their complete lack of action on the cost-of-living crisis.
The fact is that instead of taking action to make your life more affordable,
instead of taking action to alleviate the financial pressures facing
Saskatchewan families, they’ve cooked up all sorts of issues, all sorts of
fights that they can pick, and have completely lost the plot.
Instead
of addressing cost of living, they are spending who knows how much money
fighting queer and trans kids in our courts. They’ve promised to take this all
the way to the Supreme Court. Last time we saw this, $500 million on court
cases, Mr. Speaker. That’s how much money this government has spent on
superfluous court cases.
They
are spending your money on a marshals service that won’t even be active until
2026, if we’re lucky, instead of investing in our local police forces who are
asking for those supports.
Instead
of addressing the cost-of-living crisis, they’re spending your hard-earned tax
dollars on a Saskatchewan revenue agency so that they can squeeze every last
single penny out of beleaguered small businesses in our province.
Mr.
Speaker, this tired and out-of-touch government shows time and time again that
instead of listening to the concerns of Saskatchewanians buckling under the
cost-of-living crush, they would rather listen to their own party donors, their
own lackeys. They are taking advice in smaller and smaller rooms, and their
arrogance is showing. It’s so clear that this tired and out-of-touch government
is not working for you and it is not working for your family.
Mr.
Speaker, worse yet, apart from a completely haywire priority list, this tired
and out-of-touch government has consistently made your life more expensive.
Throughout their time in office they have overseen the largest expansion of the
PST tax base in history. The PST, the most regressive tax instrument in the
government’s tool box that consistently hits the lowest income folks, folks on
SAID and SIS [Saskatchewan income support], individuals making the lowest
minimum wage in the country, older adults living on fixed incomes.
Mr.
Speaker, it’s hard to remember what used to be exempt from the PST in
Saskatchewan. Let’s look at the list. Construction labour and new home builds —
a gut punch on an industry and a gut punch during a generational housing crisis
in our country, where we have a housing shortage and rent is skyrocketing. This
tax should be scrapped. Used cars. Every single time you buy a used car the
government is putting their hand out to collect. Kid’s clothing. I remember as
a kid my mom would say to the cashiers, “under 14,” because it mattered to our
family to save those tax dollars to maintain that household budget.
[11:15]
And
more recently we saw 32 new tax and fee hikes, all on culture and
entertainment. A tax that’s killing an industry in Saskatchewan that gives back
so, so much. I’ve spoken about that before. Mr. Speaker, that includes theatre
tickets, your Rider tickets, concert tickets. Mr. Speaker, we’re the only
province in Western Canada that slaps PST on concert tickets. So every time
those concert acts roll through from Manitoba to Alberta, they look at the
profitability and if it doesn’t work, they skip us — losses of economic impact
every single time.
Mr.
Speaker, they’ve tripled the take on the PST while they have been in office.
Through these expansions, the average Saskatchewan family now pays upwards of
$2,400 per year. They are attempting to balance the budget, balance their financial
missteps all on the backs of Saskatchewan families. It’s unacceptable, Mr.
Speaker. They’ve consistently made the lives of Saskatchewan people more
expensive with their record take on the PST. Mr. Speaker, I can promise you
here and all members and all the people of Saskatchewan that we’re ready to
clean up that mess.
Mr.
Speaker, in closing I will say that I cannot support this tired and
out-of-touch government’s complete inaction on the cost-of-living file. Mr.
Speaker, if this government will not take action on the issues that are
mattering most to Saskatchewan families, we are ready to take up that
challenge. And we’ve been crystal clear on this, Mr. Speaker, crystal clear in
every single room we are in. We would scrap those 32 new tax and fee hikes.
We’d scrap the PST on those used cars and new home construction, and revitalize
this industry here in Saskatchewan.
Mr.
Speaker, Saskatchewan New Democrats have cleaned up the messes of conservative
governments in the past, and we are sure as heck ready to do it again. Mr.
Speaker, it’s time to elect a government that’s really going to work for the
interests of Saskatchewan people. It’s time to elect a Saskatchewan New
Democratic government. And with that, Mr. Speaker, I’m going to sit down on this
75‑minute debate today.
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Churchill-Wildwood.
Ms. Lambert: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I
appreciate the opportunity to join this debate and second the motion brought
forward by the member from Melfort. Across the country, people are dealing with
the issues that we face here in Saskatchewan, namely affordability and
inflation. The Bank of Canada explains that when economies reopened after the
COVID‑19 pandemic, globally we faced a spike in commodity prices, a surge
in demand for goods, and impaired supply chains.
Here
in Canada we deal with another reason for higher costs — the federal carbon
tax. As the carbon tax goes up, companies increase the costs of their goods and
services to keep pace. It has caused an increase in the cost of food production
and the cost of shipping that food, so our grocery bills go up. We pay more for
fuel sources burned for energy, such as gasoline at the pumps, natural gas,
propane, diesel, and electricity to light our homes and power our appliances,
particularly after the staggering increase of 23 per cent in the federal carbon
tax on April 1st.
The
federal carbon tax has driven up the cost of all sectors in our export-based
provincial economy — agriculture, energy, forestry, manufacturing, and mining.
As the top exporting province in the nation, that exports 70 per cent of what
we produce, it has increased not only our production costs, but as a landlocked
province, also our cost to ship our products via train or truck. And that
impacts our competitiveness. For these reasons and more, we do not support the
federal NDP-Trudeau coalition that keeps that federal carbon tax policy and
other damaging policies in place.
We
have not sat on our hands, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as it pertains to that damaging
carbon tax. We took matters into our own hands and removed the carbon tax on
residential home heating on January 1st of this year to mirror the removal of
the carbon tax on home heating oil in Atlantic Canada. Not only does that save
SaskEnergy customers an average of $400 this year, estimated, our rate of
inflation is being impacted favourably.
The
consumer price index measures changes in goods and services over time.
Inflation is indicated by a growth of CPI, which helps assess changes to the
cost of living. In March the consumer price index in Saskatchewan increased by
only 1.5 per cent year over year. This is the second-lowest increase in Canada,
and well below the national average of 2.9 per cent.
There
are so many measures that we have taken in this government to address
affordability and cost of living — over $2 billion in affordability
measures included in every budget. I’d like to highlight just a few.
In
2022 our government issued $500 affordability cheques to residents of the
province to address rising costs due to inflation. Folks could decide for
themselves how to best use the cheques to address their own personal
situations. In our 2024‑25 budget there are no tax increases and no new
taxes. Now that’s helping keep life affordable for Saskatchewan people.
This
government, Mr. Deputy Speaker, has implemented policies that foster economic
growth. We have maintained strong financial management at the same time. That
is how we are able to build and protect this province. That growing economy has
allowed us to pay down 2.5 billion — that’s right, billion — dollars, and
that reduces our interest costs by 97.5 million each and every year.
That’s 97.5 million that we can use to invest into services such as health
care, education, and capital projects.
The
province’s net debt is forecasted to be 14 per cent of GDP in March of next
year. Saskatchewan has the second-lowest net debt-to-GDP ratio among the
provinces. Why is this important? Because investors look for stability and
certainty when considering jurisdictions to invest in and see it as a good sign
when net debt-to-GDP is low.
Secondly,
this ratio is an important factor when it comes to credit rating agencies. The
better the credit rating, the lower the interest rate that you pay to borrow
money. Our credit rating is the second best in the country. Compare that to
Manitoba next door. Their credit rating is seventh in Canada and their net
debt-to-GDP ratio is 38.5 per cent.
Contrast
our net debt-to-GDP with the previous NDP government in 2006. Their ratio was
28.2 per cent — double what it is today. Many important factors affect our
quality of life here: the cost-of-living factors such as the level of taxation,
the cost of utilities, the cost of auto insurance, and the cost for housing.
Mr.
Deputy Speaker, residents might not be aware that SGI [Saskatchewan Government
Insurance] customers benefit from the lowest average personal auto insurance
rates in the country, with the most comprehensive injury coverage, I might add.
SGI has sent out two rounds of rebate cheques to vehicle owners in the last
three years. That’s a return of $375 million to the people of this
province.
A
reliable way to compare the affordability of living in different parts of
Canada is to calculate the combined cost of provincial taxes, utilities, and
housing. Our Minister of Finance has undertaken that intercity comparison for
2024 using Regina and costs in other major cities across the country. The
result: Regina was the most affordable jurisdiction for a family of four.
When
it comes to rent, average rent in our two biggest cities, Saskatoon and Regina,
is the lowest in the nation. As of March 2024 it is $619 lower than the
national average and $1,000 below the top 10 average. We have the first-time
tax credit to assist with home affordability. This offers a provincial
non-refundable income tax credit of up to $1,050 to eligible taxpayers on
qualified homes.
Saskatchewan’s
total utility bundle costs for the last fiscal year were the second lowest
among the provinces. I’d like to compare what an average Saskatchewan family
pays on their total utility bundle to other provinces: 2,900 less than a family
in New Brunswick; 3,600 less than a family in Ontario; 4,500 less than a family
in Alberta. We pay significantly less than almost all families across the
country.
I
joined the Premier last year in Saskatoon to talk about the active families
benefit that was introduced by this government. This benefit is an annual,
refundable tax benefit introduced to help Saskatchewan families with the cost
of their children’s participation in sports, cultural, and recreational
activities. Eligible families of a child 18 years of age or younger can receive
a fully refundable tax benefit up to $150 per child or $200 for a child with a
disability.
We
have the children’s drug plan, also introduced by this government. The program
allows families to pay $25 per prescription for drugs for children 14 years of
age or younger.
I
would be remiss if I didn’t talk about affordability measures that affect
seniors. Under the seniors’ drug plan, eligible seniors 65 years of age and
older pay $25 for their prescription drugs. The senior citizens’ ambulance
assistance program offers full coverage for interfacility transfers, and the
cost of ground ambulances have been lowered from $275 to 135 per trip. The
Ministry of Health covers 96 per cent of the cost of home care and 100 per cent
of the cost of home care nursing services allowing seniors to remain in their
homes. The seniors’ income plan offers up to $360 per month, and it has
quadrupled since 2007.
One
of the many measures this government has undertaken in tax reduction is the
cuts in education property taxes, cuts that have saved Saskatchewan residents
approximately $100 million per year. Since 2008‑2009 this government
has reduced the education property tax burden by approximately $3 billion.
Now I must mention that under the NDP Saskatchewan residents paid the highest
EPT [education property tax] in the nation.
Did
you know, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that we are the only province to offer the
graduate retention program, again introduced by this government? It has
benefited over 81,000 graduates and since 2009 has saved graduates over
$739 million. My three daughters have appreciated that.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am proud to say
that Saskatchewan remains one of the most affordable places in Canada to live,
work, and raise a family. How fortunate we are to call this place home. Thank
you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
Rosemont.
Mr. Wotherspoon: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased
to enter into debate here this afternoon, Mr. Speaker, to enter into discussion
on the motion, Mr. Speaker. What’s been unfortunate I think is much of the
rhetoric that we’ve heard from government opposite, again denying the
challenges that people are facing by way of affordability, Mr. Speaker. And
certainly as the official opposition in this province, as Saskatchewan New
Democrats, we’ve been clear with our concerns where the federal government has
made choices that aren’t in the interests of Saskatchewan people. And we will
continue to stand up and to make that case, I believe so, more effectively than
what we’ve seen opposite, Mr. Speaker. Because we see the results there.
You
know, we’ll stand up of course against the federal carbon tax that just doesn’t
make any sense for Saskatchewan, Mr. Speaker, and we’ll make that case. But I
think Saskatchewan people expect their government, their elected government, to
understand the reality and the pressures that they’re facing.
And
this current tired lot couldn’t be more out-of-touch on this front, Mr.
Speaker, when it comes to cost of living. And of course worse than doing
nothing, Mr. Speaker, in face of a once-in-a-generation affordability challenge
facing families, this is a government that’s made things worse, Mr. Speaker.
Worse than doing nothing, they’ve made things worse, Mr. Speaker.
Pretty
much unlike anywhere else in Canada, where all other provinces have acted to
extend various types of relief in cost of living to families in face of these
pressures, Mr. Speaker, not only has this government failed to make the case
effectively that the carbon tax doesn’t make sense for Saskatchewan, but
they’ve failed to understand the pressures and hardship that families are
facing. And instead have actually piled on with additional costs, Mr. Speaker —
worse than doing nothing. They’ve added new taxes on front after front after
front. They’ve added new costs, Mr. Speaker, and Saskatchewan people know those
costs very well, Mr. Speaker.
Of
course, this was the government that mismanaged the finances and project after
project through so much scandal and mismanagement and waste, Mr. Speaker. And
now they’re sticking Saskatchewan people with the bill, Mr. Speaker.
[11:30]
The
biggest tax hike in Saskatchewan’s history, Mr. Speaker, brought to you by that
Sask Party government, Mr. Speaker. They’ve stuck the PST on everything from
children’s clothes to insurance to construction, Mr. Speaker. Making housing
more expensive for everyone, Mr. Speaker, whether you’re building out a rental
unit, whether you’re building out a house or whether you’re replacing your
toilet or fixing your shingles, Mr. Speaker, or maintaining your home. This is
a government that’s made all of that more expensive and of course have driven
jobs away from Saskatchewan with this attack on our competitiveness, Mr.
Speaker — a gut punch to growth.
We’ve
seen this government impose that tax on everything from even some grocery foods
and restaurant meals, on local businesses across Saskatchewan, and on used
cars, Mr. Speaker, where they’re taxing the sale of that used car many times
over, Mr. Speaker, and sticking again those working so darn hard, Mr. Speaker,
just to put food on their table that might be looking to make sure they’ve got
a vehicle that’s going to get them from point A to point B, to get them to
work, Mr. Speaker, to get their kids to activities, to get them to training,
Mr. Speaker. They’re putting the bill there as well.
And
as we’ve been identifying, this is a government that has failed to do what
other provinces have extending relief. One of those options would have been to
suspend the fuel tax as we’ve been calling for, Mr. Speaker. Of course that
Premier and that government deny the reality that people are facing, the
cost-of-living pressures, but they continue to impose not only those new taxes
but their 15‑cent-a-litre tax on gas and diesel across Saskatchewan, Mr.
Speaker, again hitting those that are working so hard across this province.
They
haven’t done anything to roll back the PST that they’ve put on people. And now
if you look at the impacts of that PST, this is a government that has tripled
the amount of the PST that they’re taking out of the pockets and bank accounts
of hard-working Saskatchewan people, Mr. Speaker, at a time where we see that
60 per cent, 57 per cent of Saskatchewan people are saying that they’re finding
it difficult or very difficult just to put food on the table, Mr. Speaker. This
government is out of touch. Worse than, you know, doing nothing, they’ve made
it worse, Mr. Speaker, and lacking a level of . . . I don’t know,
decency as a government. Instead of listening and working to understand the
hardship, they actually work to deny the reality that people know with the
hardship.
You’ll
hear day after day, you know, cabinet ministers or the Premier getting up
trying to tell people that, oh, you’ve got it wrong; life is affordable, Mr.
Speaker. Well you know what, Mr. Speaker? I’ll trust Saskatchewan households
and Saskatchewan people any day of the week over this tired and out-of-touch Sask
Party government when it comes to knowing the pressures, the real pressures and
the real hardship on their household finances, Mr. Speaker.
You
know, my buddy, the member from Melfort was up today and he, you know, talked
about a few different things. He was talking about shrinkage and a few other
things, Mr. Speaker. And certainly with respect to the economy and an economic
contraction and stagnation and lack of growth, his government does have a
miserable record on this front, Mr. Speaker, and it really has failed to
present the economic opportunity that communities across Saskatchewan, corner
to corner to corner to corner, need and deserve, as well as those jobs, Mr.
Speaker, that will pay the bills and that families can count on. So he’s, you
know, with respect to his economic entry around, you know, contraction,
shrinkage, stagnation, his record of his government is very poor, Mr. Speaker.
He
was talking as well about some of the views on multinationals, Mr. Speaker, and
on profits. And of course we want to see local businesses and businesses across
Saskatchewan, we want to see them doing well, Mr. Speaker. And that means they
need to be profitable, Mr. Speaker. So there’s no question on this front, Mr.
Speaker. In fact, it’s this government that seems to misunderstand the
importance of making sure local businesses in Saskatchewan are profitable and
have futures and are able to grow employment and create those opportunities.
But
when it comes to some of the other anticompetitive forces in the supply chains,
Mr. Speaker, you know, I would really challenge my pal from Melfort to lean in
a little harder for the interests of Saskatchewan. When we’re talking about
folks like the duopoly that is the out-of-province meat packers, Mr. Speaker,
you know, there is a role for him and his government to lean in and challenge
those anticompetitive behaviours from those out-of-province meat packers, Mr.
Speaker, who shortchange producers, livestock producers, beef producers across
Saskatchewan, Mr. Speaker, who short them on the fair dollar they deserve, Mr.
Speaker, and who have the consequence through their anticompetitive behaviours
as well of driving up the cost of meat, driving up the cost of food, and
sticking consumers with an unfair bill, Mr. Speaker.
And
anyone that rolls into a meat counter these days, Mr. Speaker, will understand
this. They know how hard it is to, you know, fill that grocery cart in a way
that meets the needs of their family, Mr. Speaker, but that doesn’t break the
bank as well. And this is a government . . . Every government should
be willing to lean in to anticompetitive duopolies like the meat packers, Mr.
Speaker, and address those anticompetitive behaviours.
You
know, the other reason that that’s of interest for Saskatchewan — fairness for
producers, better price, better options for consumers — we could also really
grow a strong meat processing industry across Saskatchewan. Local jobs across
this province, Mr. Speaker. More choice for producers. More choice for
consumers.
Mr. Speaker, we have a government here
in Saskatchewan that struggles to walk and chew gum at the same time. We should
have no trouble effectively making the case against the federal carbon tax at
the same time as making life more affordable here in Saskatchewan. This government
has failed on both fronts. They’ve failed to address that carbon tax, Mr.
Speaker, and they’ve only stuck Saskatchewan people with more costs. They’ve
stuck them unfortunately with an economy that’s way more stagnant than it
should be, Mr. Speaker, failing to present the opportunity and the good jobs,
and certainly failed to ensure the affordability that people deserve, Mr.
Speaker.
And again, this is a government that
chooses to try to spin the reality that households and people and producers know
all too well, all across our fine province, Mr. Speaker.
The
Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from Arm
River.
Mr.
Skoropad: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr.
Deputy Speaker, I am so eager, chomping at the bit, to get involved in this debate
here today. This is something we’ve talked about lots on the floor, but I just
want to begin with how much I love this province. I love Saskatchewan. This is
the most amazing place on the planet to live, and it is certainly one of the
most affordable places to live in Canada. And the people of this province
deserve an affordable life, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and that’s why more than
$2 billion in affordability measures are included in each and every budget
that you see presented by this government.
And this was described . . . I
won’t spend too much time talking about that in particular. It was described so
well by my colleague, the member from Saskatoon Churchill-Wildwood. But I would
think that there would be a lot of agreement on the affordability measures that
we present year in and year out for this province to support. I would think
that members opposite would see a lot of value in those affordability measures.
And you know, if not though, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I certainly would be
interested in hearing specifically which one or ones of those affordability
measures they would like to axe, which ones they’d like to cut or turf. I would
truly be interested in knowing specifically.
But I do understand, Mr. Deputy Speaker,
why the opposition is confused by our strategy to make life more affordable in
this province. I understand that the opposition is looking for a quick one-off
measure to address affordability while actually not addressing affordability at
all.
You know in farming, in farming there is
a difference, Mr. Deputy Speaker. There’s a difference between a rain and a
shower. They are interested in providing a quick, isolated shower, whereas we,
Mr. Deputy Speaker, are interested in providing a widespread, general rain for
the people of this province. And, Mr. Deputy Speaker, you see that in the more
than $2 billion in affordability measures each and every year.
You know, I do need to note. I need to
note something: the role the economy plays in this whole thing. The opposition
criticizes us for the work that we do to grow and strengthen our economy, and
they often say we talk far too much about the economy. They actually go so far
as to say, that’s all you guys care about; you’re just all about the economy,
not people at all. But I’ll say this, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It’s through the
economy that we are able to care for people of this province, and that’s how we
are able to address affordability year in and year out.
The opposition though, Mr. Deputy
Speaker, is caught up in the ideology of affordability. It’s the ideology of
affordability and virtue-signalling, and they forgot something. They forgot
something very important. How do you pay for it? The strength of our economy,
Mr. Deputy Speaker, is exactly how we pay for it, and that’s how things work.
Now I’d like to just . . . I
typically use trees as analogies. I just love using trees as analogies. My
colleagues give me a hard time about this, but I’m going to give just one more.
And we’ll call this lesson, lessons from a tree, part three.
And so our economy, the economy of this
province, could certainly be compared to a fruit tree. The stronger we can make
it, the more we’ll provide to the people who depend on it. And success, Mr.
Deputy Speaker, is directly related to how we feed, how we nurture it, how we
protect it from those entities that would otherwise do it harm. You know, we
don’t believe, as members opposite may, that you just plant it, leave it, and
hope it grows. You know, at the end of the day the well-being of that tree,
that economic tree, certainly, certainly affects the well-being of the people
who depend on it in this province.
And I would suggest this, Mr. Deputy
Speaker. As we’ve seen in the past, if the NDP opposition ever had the chance —
Lord help us — to govern again, they would surely ignore the economic tree of
this province, leaving it to wither. And I do fear. And I do fear, if given the
chance, the opposition would even go so far as to chop that thing right down to
the ground. They would have that thing crash to the ground, and further than
that, they would probably then just sit on the log and then hold their hand out
and wait for the federal government to come by and to give them an apple
because they have not one to eat.
Speaking of apples, Mr. Deputy Speaker,
grocery shopping is certainly not one of my most favourite activities. I’ll say
that. It starts with the picking of the cart. I always select the wrong one. It
usually has a twisted wheel, and I really hate the ones that pull to the left
too far. But I will say it carries right on into the fruit and vegetable
department, and that department where my wife and I, we have different
strategies. She’s not that fussy when it comes to picking the fruit and
vegetables. I’m very fussy when it comes to that. She’ll hand me a basket of
strawberries. I’ll look it at it and go, oh no, I mean come on; pick a better
one.
So a little bit of frustration, but the
frustration goes on as I walk along and I see some of the prices. The
frustration increases, and then the frustration even increases a whole lot more
when I consider those families struggling to buy that apple, Mr. Deputy
Speaker, those families who in some cases say “no” more than they do “yes” to
their children’s questions of, can we get that? And you know, it actually takes
my frustration to another level. It probably takes it into the anger range when
I consider that it doesn’t need to be this way, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
If you would just for a moment indulge
me, a little carbon tax 101. The premise of the carbon tax by design is to make
life more unaffordable. You see, Mr. Deputy Speaker, it’s premised on taking
your money and then forcing your decisions. The concept is, hit them in the
pocketbook and they will make different choices.
Well what’s maybe overlooked in this plan
and by all those proponents of this plan is that, what if other choices just
simply aren’t an option? What if the pocketbook can’t take many more hits? And
what if every good or product that relied on fossil fuels to get itself to
market, well what if they had to bear a cumulative, a compounding carbon tax?
Well then if that is the case, you’d have exactly what we’re seeing right here
with the inflation in this province and across the country.
The only thing surprising about the
impact of the carbon tax is that proponents of the carbon tax are surprised by
the negative impacts. We predicted and warned that this very thing, this very
situation right from the beginning, right from the beginning when our Premier,
then the minister of Environment, walked out of a meeting where the carbon tax
was being rammed down the throats of all the provinces. Since day one we sit
against the carbon tax, and in the beginning we stood alone. And we stood alone
for the people of this province.
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And now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, this is
where the conversation is just going to get just a tad bit awkward. You see,
our stance has always been crystal clear on the carbon tax. We stand against
that. And while it’s very heartwarming to see members opposite try to position
themselves on the right side of history, documented history would say
otherwise.
While this government fought to
extinguish the newly ignited carbon tax campfire, like a bunch of children
playing with a pack of matches were members opposite, some of whom sat silently
on the side watching it all take place, some of whom scoffed and mocked our
efforts to extinguish that flame right in the beginning, and some, more
disturbingly, openly fanned the flame and supported it.
Now that the carbon tax, Mr. Deputy
Speaker, is a raging inferno of inflation, they are running hard from their
paths, and they are running hard from the fire that they helped create because
their fear is to get politically scorched. And while some of those members will
get away with only getting singed maybe, Mr. Deputy Speaker, it’s the people of
this province and the people of this country that are the ones that are going
to experience the burns.
But the thing that makes me most angry,
Mr. Deputy Speaker, is that this tax, created by the Liberal government and
supported by the NDP, hurts our most vulnerable the most. It punishes those who
can’t afford the alternatives and those that can’t bear the weight of
inflation.
And that is why, Mr. Deputy Speaker,
we’re committed to providing affordability measures in this province each and
every year to support all the people in the province and why we denounce the
federal NDP-Trudeau government and their supporters for making life more
difficult for the people across this country. Thank you.
The
Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
University.
Ms.
A. Young: — Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy
Speaker. What an interesting stump speech from the members opposite. And now we
heard an awful lot about fruit in that speech, Mr. Deputy Speaker, but I
thought the members opposite were opposed to fruits. Anyways I’ll go on.
So affordability, Mr. Deputy Speaker,
you know, it’s great to be able to talk about this so often. And I was thrilled
to see this as a 75‑minute debate topic come up because, Mr. Deputy
Speaker, you know how much I love a 75‑minute debate.
And you know, I was inclined to go back
through Hansard and look at what we talked about the last time we had
the chance, member from Saskatoon Meewasin and I, to talk about the carbon tax,
to talk about affordability, and it bears reading. May 4th, 2023, almost a year
ago today, and you know, Mr. Speaker, it’s like I could just stand up here and
read this right back into the record and it would be true today.
We are opposed to the carbon tax. We’ve
been crystal clear on that, Mr. Speaker. And what we are in favour of is a
government that recognizes the obvious, a government that recognizes — whether
it’s the federal Liberals in Ottawa or the government here at home — recognizes
that affordability is the number one concern. And both of them are making it
harder for regular people.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, in reviewing Hansard
from last year, I saw a couple stats that jumped out. Fifty-two per cent of
people have desperate economic insecurity. Well, Mr. Speaker, we know that
number has crept up in this year, and now it’s kissing 60 per cent.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, another statistic.
Last year I referenced in my comments that here in Regina, in my home city, 5
per cent of the people who live here in our provincial capital, 1 in 20 people
rely on the food bank to feed themselves and their family. But, Mr. Speaker, we
have seen that statistic climb up. In Saskatchewan under this government one in
five people has gone hungry in the past five years. Shame, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
This is a government who is telling
people that everything’s fine. The status quo is fine. Be thankful for our
budget, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It’s enough. I’m not sure what they’re trying to
sell, Mr. Deputy Speaker, because are they telling people that everything’s
fine, you are wrong, and the reason you can’t pay your bills, the reason you
are struggling to afford food is your fault? I don’t know, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
But let’s talk about a few things that
are in the control of this tired and out-of-touch government, Mr. Deputy
Speaker. And I have the privilege to serve as our SaskPower critic. I’ll admit
it’s probably my favourite file in opposition, Mr. Speaker. And this is a
government who has control of a Crown corporation, who has the ability to
impact affordability. And what have they done with SaskPower, Mr. Deputy
Speaker, but they have raised utility bills during a generational
cost-of-living crisis not one, not two, but three times, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
And in preparing for this I remembered
something. They got another sneaky half a per cent rate increase in just this
January. And I’ll quote from the SaskPower spokesperson: “We’ve managed to keep
the increase somewhat lower for this year, and that has to do with how we’re
operating our system.” But another half a per cent increase, Mr. Speaker, from
SaskPower just this past January.
Let’s
go back to Bill Boyd, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We’ll start a little further back,
and let’s remember that this is a government who proposed to build a penthouse
on top of SaskPower. The best use of Saskatchewan taxpayer dollars was building
a penthouse, a penthouse upgrade it was called, with a living wall. Now, Mr.
Speaker, we know this government isn’t as green as they purport to be, but a
living wall built in SaskPower headquarters with taxpayer dollars?
We
have a carbon capture project, Mr. Deputy Speaker, one that I worked on, one
that I was proud to work on, Mr. Deputy Speaker, but that under this
government’s watch went hundreds of millions of dollars over budget. Again not
the best use of taxpayer dollars, Mr. Speaker.
Let’s
just revisit some of the upgrades: $282,000 for a rooftop patio including
outdoor heaters; $72,000 for stone floors; that $65,000 living wall; a $200,000
kitchen; $173,000 metal-clad penthouse; $60,000 exclusively for executive
updates; $20,000 for two electric car charging stations — I guess that probably
went by the wayside; and $100,000 for a rainwater tank. What a penthouse, Mr.
Speaker, and I would say a very questionable use of taxpayer dollars.
Another
extravagant expense. Let’s not forget the vanity project that these members
have tried to bury. That wasn’t Bill Boyd, but was the former minister. They
tried to rebrand all of the Crowns, Mr. Deputy Speaker, an expensive vanity
project. Like every lineman should have to go out and have the taxpayer pay for
a new, you know, fire-retardant set of overalls in order to carry this
government’s brand. Another sterling proposal in terms of using taxpayer
dollars, Mr. Speaker. But they’re happy, happy to keep wasting taxpayer dollars
left, right, and centre when it comes to our Crowns.
Last
year SaskPower was in a historic position of loss, $172 million, Mr.
Speaker, the worst in the corporation’s history. And what do we see this year?
We still see dividends being taken from the Crown. Again during a generational
cost-of-living crisis under this government they are proposing to raise
people’s power bills by at least two and a half per cent every year in perpetuity,
Mr. Speaker.
And
where does this come from? This comes from SaskPower’s own documentation, their
own supply planning overview, Mr. Speaker. In every single scenario they have
presented in the plans put forward by this government, there is at least a two
and a half to three per cent SaskPower rate increase every year until 2050, Mr.
Speaker. These are not just the words of the opposition critic. This is in
SaskPower’s own documentation, Mr. Speaker.
And
now of course we haven’t seen this rate hike actualized this year. It’s
election year, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to guess we’re not going to see it next
year either. But the year after the election, should this tired and
out-of-touch government still tragically be in power, are the people of Saskatchewan
to expect a seven and a half to nine per cent increase in one single year on
their power bills? Well, Mr. Speaker, it’s right here in black and white. And
this is a Crown corporation that should be providing affordability relief to
people in a generational cost-of-living crisis.
But
again, I’m going to read from SaskPower’s own words:
In general, SaskPower rates are below the Canadian thermal
average for high-load customers. However because of our extensive distribution
grid and relatively sparse population, SaskPower has relatively higher
distribution costs per ratepayer than most utilities, which negatively affects
our competitiveness at the lower levels of electricity consumption.
Mr.
Speaker, again from SaskPower’s own rate application, 2022‑2023. Again in
black and white under this government a Crown utility that is not as affordable
as it could be, a Crown utility that is not competitive with other utilities
when it comes to affordability, let alone for residential customers, and whose
industrial rates are crippling the potential for economic growth here in the
province, Mr. Speaker.
Now
I’m almost out of time, and I’ve spent most of it focused on SaskPower, but it
is clear this is a government that is tired, that is out of touch, that is so
incapable of seeing the obvious reality that people in this province are
living. They just prefer to read their own talking points, convince themselves
that everything is fine and it’s the people who are wrong. Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker: — The 65‑minute period has
expired. The 10‑minute period, question-and-answer period, will begin. I
recognize the member from Regina Rosemont.
Mr. Wotherspoon: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a
question for the member from Churchill-Wildwood. Good person, Mr. Speaker. It’s
unfortunate, Mr. Speaker, that her government has stuck people with more costs,
more taxes during a once-in-a-generation cost-of-living challenge. Of course we
all oppose the federal carbon tax. Her government, her cabinet, has failed to
protect people from that carbon tax.
But
why does the member from Churchill-Wildwood support the choices of her
government to stick Saskatchewan people with more taxes during this time, not
relief, and not providing them an exemption, a break on the gas tax?
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Churchill-Wildwood.
Ms. Lambert: — Well I thank the member opposite for
the question. He referenced the federal carbon tax, and I’d like to point out
that under that carbon tax, the Liberals, federal Liberals — and the NDP are in
thick with those federal Liberals — have missed every single one of their
environmental targets. And the independent parliamentary budget officer
confirmed what many Canadians already know. You pay more in the carbon tax than
you get rebated back.
So
each and every day in this House, we introduce a petition, read it into the
record, and I will quote:
Whereas the Trudeau Liberal-NDP coalition carbon tax is one
of the main causes of affordability issues and inflation in the nation of
Canada; and that the federal Liberal-NDP government was politically motivated
in issuing a carve-out for home heating oil . . .
And
we go on to say in the end, “We call upon the Government of Canada to
immediately suspend the carbon tax across the nation of Canada . . .”
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Martensville-Warman.
Mr. Jenson: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We
know that in Saskatchewan we continue to have the most . . . We’re
the most affordable province in the nation in which to live, raise a family,
and start a career. But the NDP refuse to accept that as fact and continue to
claim our government does nothing for affordability.
But
just yesterday at SUMA [Saskatchewan Urban Municipalities Association], and
with the member from Regina University listening, the assistant commissioner
and commanding officer of Saskatchewan RCMP here in Regina said, and I quote,
“We have an amazing cost of living.” And she continued on that our province’s
affordability is resulting in more RCMP officers from other provinces choosing
to serve in Saskatchewan for recruitment.
Yes
or no: does the member from Saskatoon Meewasin agree with the commanding
officer of the Saskatchewan RCMP?
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Meewasin.
Mr. Teed: — Mr. Speaker, $17 million on
marshals that will not see boots on the ground until 2026, all the while RCMP
and municipal police forces are asking for supports, supports that already have
boots on the ground that could be addressing crime in this province. The
leaders of the RCMP in Saskatchewan and those municipal police forces have been
crystal clear on their need for additional funds.
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
University.
Ms. A. Young: — Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. As
members have heard time and time again in this House, we are all united in our
opposition to the carbon tax. Or are we? A question to the member from
Churchill-Wildwood: does she think it is good news for Saskatchewan people that
there is $488 million of carbon tax, of Sask Party OBPS [output-based
performance standards] carbon tax, in her government’s budget?
[12:00]
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Churchill-Wildwood.
Ms. Lambert: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. And I
thank the member opposite again for her question. I’d like to refer to an
article that came out I believe just today in the Moose Jaw Express,
written by Ron Walter. And we’re talking about affordability. I just spoke
about it in my remarks today, and I quote:
Living expenses of Regina residents rate among the lowest
of 10 major cities across Canada, according to Saskatchewan budget data.
The data tables do intercity comparisons of taxes,
household utility and housing costs in 10 cities . . . [from] three
income levels.
So
those 10 cities are Vancouver; Calgary; Regina; Winnipeg; Toronto; Montreal;
Saint John, New Brunswick; Halifax; St. John’s, Newfoundland; and
Charlottetown.
For a family earning $75,000, Saskatchewan taxes, household
utility and housing costs are lowest of the 10 cities . . . [Yes,
lowest.] For a family earning 125,000 costs of tax, utilities, and housing are
the lowest of the cities at 34,528.
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Lumsden-Morse.
Mr. B. McLeod: — Thank you,
Mr. Deputy Speaker. Continuing on that theme of the lowest, the opposition has
consistently pointed to Manitoba as a beacon of affordability. Here’s the
facts. In NDP Manitoba, families pay 7 per cent PST on utilities. Saskatchewan
families pay zero on utilities. Manitoban families also pay carbon tax on home
heating. Saskatchewan families pay no carbon tax on home heating.
Saskatchewan families pay no income tax on their
first 59,000 in income, and Manitoba families pay provincial income tax at
38,000. That’s a difference, Mr. Deputy Speaker, of $21,000 at 12.75 per cent.
That’s $2,700 that Saskatchewan families keep in their pockets.
To the member from Saskatoon Meewasin, which province does
more for families?
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from Saskatoon
Meewasin.
Mr. Teed: — Mr. Speaker, it’s fairly rich from
this government who has overseen the largest expansion of the PST in this
province’s history. I don’t even remember what isn’t exempt anymore — kids
clothes, new home construction, used cars, concert tickets, Rider tickets. Mr.
Speaker, this government is making the lives of Saskatchewan people more
inexpensive absolutely every single day and has doubled the take on the PST.
They have no ground to stand on.
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
University.
Ms. A. Young: — Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My
question’s going to go to the member from Saskatoon Wildwood. We’ve seen a lot
of talk about inflation in this House, and we’ve seen just recently, from the
member from Lumsden-Morse, a lot of talk about Manitoba.
So,
Mr. Speaker, if this is a government who’s so fixated on a low inflationary
rate, what does the member from Saskatoon Churchill-Wildwood think about the
fact that next door in Manitoba the government is boasting the lowest inflation
rate, the only in the nation just behind 1 per cent after having cut their gas
tax, same as Alberta to the west?
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Churchill-Wildwood.
Ms. Lambert: — Well thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
I’m pretty busy getting up and down here this morning, and I appreciate the
opportunity.
So
we talked about intercity comparisons, and that’s a fair way to actually look
at some facts. And you mentioned Manitoba. So when I look at that I talked
about credit rating in my remarks, we are the second best in the country;
Manitoba, seventh in the country. When we talk about PST, we’re at 6 per cent;
they’re at 7 per cent. When we talk about the first-time homebuyers tax credit,
which offers families here, qualified families, $1,050; they have no homebuyers
tax credit in Manitoba. We have the highest tax-free threshold in the nation,
where Manitoba has the seventh-lowest tax-free threshold in the nation.
I
could go on and on and on. We have no . . .
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Kelvington-Wadena.
Mr. Nerlien: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I
just had a note here that the member from Saskatoon Meewasin said not that long
ago that our Crown corporations are providing “some of the most affordable
rates in the country.” Obviously his seatmate would disagree with him, as his
seatmate took time to criticize the leadership of SaskPower today in terms of
their management of the organization.
And
I’m wondering in terms of sort of the current practice of drive-by smears, the
member from Saskatoon Meewasin expanded the smear campaign to include the
Saskatchewan Party government, which would be referring to 269,996 people of
Saskatchewan who support our government. Does the member from Saskatoon
Meewasin actually believe that they’re all wrong? Thank you.
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Meewasin.
Mr. Teed: — Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I’m having a hard time determining where the question is, but all I can say is,
this is the exact same government that tried to sell off those Crowns to
private buyers, Mr. Speaker, and has hiked rates, hiked rates, made life more
expensive at every step.
The Deputy Speaker: — The 75‑minute debate period
has expired.
The Deputy Speaker: — I recognize the member from Regina
Elphinstone-Centre.
Ms. Conway: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s a
pleasure to be on my feet, and at the end of my comments I will be moving a
motion around the need for transparency and accountability from this Sask Party
government.
There’s
not a day that goes by, Mr. Speaker, where the people of Saskatchewan are not
reminded of this government’s shocking lack of transparency and accountability.
And nowhere is this more clear than in the four categories that I intend on
touching on today. That is our lobbying legislation, electoral financing laws,
conflict of interest, and as well as our broken freedom of information system.
And
I can tell you right now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that the Saskatchewan NDP takes
these matters seriously. We believe at our very core that the people of
Saskatchewan deserve an open and transparent government. They deserve a government
that is not influenced by big money or out-of-province interests, where
elections are fair and open, and where conflicts of interest simply do not
exist. We are light years behind many jurisdictions on these issues, Mr.
Speaker.
This
week was an absolute master class in our insufficient rules around lobbying. We
have a lobbyist registrar that has eight or nine entries that speak to
Clearpoint Health Network’s lobbyist Kevin Doherty meeting with ministers — the
Minister of Health, the Premier, the Minister of Finance — around the surgical
backlog. Eight or nine entries.
We
then have a Minister of Health who has stood up and said those meetings simply
didn’t exist. Although I will note that in question period today, he was very
clear that he did not meet with Mr. Doherty on this $6 million sweetheart
deal with this Calgary company on knee and hip surgeries, of which we are last
for wait times in the nation. But when I asked him a very clear question about
whether the Premier or the previous Health minister met with Mr. Doherty on
this, he could not provide a straight answer.
But,
Mr. Speaker, we are committed on this side to closing the loopholes in the
lobbying registrar legislation. The people of Saskatchewan should note that
before having to register at all, a company can lobby this government for 39
hours and that there will be no record of that anywhere. We will get rid of
that 40‑hour threshold so that the people of Saskatchewan know which
lobbyists are meeting with their politicians, are trying to persuade their
politicians, and that it is absolutely open and available to the people of
Saskatchewan.
In
fact the Saskatchewan NDP has brought changes to this legislation which have
consistently been voted down by that Sask Party government, the least open and
transparent government in Saskatchewan history. You have my commitment. This is
the quote unquote no-plan NDP, Saskatchewan NDP. You have a commitment from me
that the Saskatchewan NDP commits to being upfront about all meetings that
occur, who’s present, and the topic of that meeting.
Mr.
Deputy Speaker, on the electoral financing laws, Saskatchewan under this
government has earned the unsavoury reputation of being the wild west for
electoral financing. The wild west. We have no caps on out-of-province,
out-of-country donations and they flow in to that Sask Party government, Mr.
Speaker, to that Sask Party. One in five donations to this Sask Party come from
out-of-province interest groups. So do not, do not be fooled by the name, the
Saskatchewan Party. Mr. Speaker, a fifth of their donations are coming from out
of province.
You
have a commitment — yes, it’s unacceptable — you have a commitment from the
Saskatchewan NDP right here and right now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that not only
would we cap union and corporate donations, something when the Health minister
was asked about in a scrum . . . [inaudible interjection]
. . . Yes, not cap them, scrap them. He was asked about this, the
Minister of Health was asked about this in a scrum this week, what he thought
about scrapping union and corporate donations. He said, I’m not going to answer
that. Well I wouldn’t want to answer that either if I was a member of that Sask
Party caucus, Mr. Speaker.
But
the truth is that this is necessary. And this is a commitment that this
Saskatchewan NDP has made. We have introduced legislation to this effect
before, and it has been absolutely voted down consistently by this Sask Party
government, the least open and transparent government in Saskatchewan history.
We
would also cap individual donations, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We would put a cap on
that because we don’t think that it’s only the wealthy, the ones that can give
the most, that should be influencing politics, Mr. Deputy Speaker. No, it’s not
that they should have no say; there should be a cap. There should be a cap, Mr.
Speaker.
We
believe that it is unacceptable that money from outside of Saskatchewan,
interests from outside of Saskatchewan are influencing and shaping the
priorities of this government. And that’s what we see day in, day out. Women
having to go to Calgary companies for mammograms at 10 times the cost.
Individuals living in pain who are waiting too long for the surgeries they need
now going to Calgary to a private company, Mr. Speaker.
These
policies have impacts, and we see day in, day out that this is increasingly a
Sask Party government that works for Alberta companies. It’s growth that works
for Alberta companies. That’s for sure, Mr. Speaker.
I
want to talk about this Sask Party government’s record on conflicts of
interest. We need only look at the recent Sunrise scandal, the Thriftlodge
motel, recent appointments to the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission, Mr.
Speaker. That was a really stinky one, Mr. Speaker, after members of this
commission deigned to speak out for vulnerable kids whose rights were being run
roughshod by this government.
This
government doesn’t like it when institutions like that do their job. They don’t
like it when someone speaks truth to power, Mr. Speaker. And so what did we
see? We saw the appointment of the Justice minister’s constituency president.
My God, Mr. Speaker. Like you’d think they’d be a little less obvious about it.
Jeez.
Mr.
Speaker, particularly concerning around the conflict of interest rules
currently, and something that the Saskatchewan NDP has committed to addressing,
is the lack of transparency around numbered companies and holding companies.
Saskatchewan people deserve to know in an open and transparent way what assets
Saskatchewan government members hold, and currently that is not the case, Mr.
Deputy Speaker.
I
will also speak briefly to again the Sunrise and Thriftlodge motels. You know
there’s been a lot of questions about this, this $1,300 spent on these hotels
before the member from Regina Northeast — who has a financial interest,
benefits financially from these two motels — was elected. After he was elected
we see that number jump to almost three-quarters of a million dollars.
[12:15]
Mr.
Speaker, the Minister of Social Services wants us to accept that this was just
a coincidence. But you know what, Mr. Deputy Speaker? When I asked him in
committee earlier this week . . . Well best-case scenario, best-case
scenario we see that the Thriftlodge motel was charging rates 100 per cent more
than market rates — double, double what I can pay for a room at the Thriftlodge
motel on Booking.com tonight. I just looked up the rates. They’re still $80 a
night.
Their
average rate — this is their information, not mine — their average rate that
the Ministry of Social Services paid, $165 a night, the most inflated rates in
the province. So excuse us, Mr. Deputy Speaker, if we’re not going to accept
the explanation that the member from Regina Northeast was just doing us all a
favour, that he’s just an advocate for the most vulnerable. We don’t accept
that, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We don’t accept that hotels charging Evelyn Harper
$200 a night — again, double the market rate — are the good guys, Mr. Deputy
Speaker. We don’t accept it.
But
in the very best explanation, this was allowed to happen because of a lack of
checks and balances at the Ministry of Social Services. Very best-case
scenario, okay, Mr. Deputy Speaker? And in committee earlier this week I asked
the Minister of Social Services and his officials whether they were going to
start reporting these kinds of expenditures out differently. Nope, status quo.
They’ve got this pilot project on how to procure hotels, but it’s status quo,
opening up to this kind of nonsense to continue happening, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
It is not okay.
Moving
to Saskatchewan’s broken freedom of information system, Mr. Speaker. This is
one I have a kind of a song in my heart about. Since this Premier took office,
freedom of information fee estimates have jumped from $130,000 in 2018‑2019
to $2.4 million in ’22‑23. 130,000 in 2018‑2019,
2.4 million in 2022‑2023. It’s right there in black and white.
Again, the least open and transparent government in Saskatchewan history.
And
you know what happens, Mr. Deputy Speaker, when people make requests for
information and they get these exorbitant estimates? It has a chilling effect.
People can’t afford to access that information. I can tell you that my office
alone, in doggedly going after these Sunrise and Thriftlodge motel numbers, I
was asked to pay thousands of dollars in FOI [freedom of information] fees. And
it came out of my constituency budget, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
That’s
not okay. An elected official, a critic in this area, is forced to spend the
budget that is there to serve the public, serve the community that I represent,
has to go to these exorbitant freedom of information requests, ones that should
be made available so that democracy can run its course, so that critics can
hold this government accountable as the system is designed to do, Mr. Deputy
Speaker.
We
have a water critic, the member from Saskatoon Nutana, who tried to FOI the
water drainage policy, the effectiveness of that policy. And she was hit with a
$100,000 estimate, Mr. Deputy Speaker. This is not okay and this is not status
quo. 130,000 total in 2019. One request to scrutinize the effectiveness of
Saskatchewan’s water drainage policy, and she’s hit with an FOI for close to
that total amount from the 2018‑2019 year.
And
it’s all part of a shift that is happening under this new Premier, under this
new configuration of the Sask Party government, the least open and transparent
government that . . . The Minister of Corrections is chirping from
his seat about rules, but this is increasingly a government who don’t think the
rules apply, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and it is sad to see. This limits the
opposition’s ability to hold this government to account.
I
know, I know they don’t like it. They don’t like it when we ask tough
questions. They don’t like it when we hold them accountable. They attack us for
making it personal, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It’s not personal. We are doing our
job. We are doing our job and we will continue to do our job. From my lips to
your ears, we will continue to ask these hard questions. I know it triggers
them, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I know it triggers them.
Not
only does it hamper our ability to hold them accountable; it kneecaps the
media. It kneecaps the media, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It hampers our media. The
members opposite, I guess they think there’s a big conspiracy thing, a big
conspiracy theory out there that it’s our media, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It hampers
the public’s ability to scrutinize this Sask Party government’s decisions.
And they have yet to enact the
recommendations of the Privacy Commissioner that he has made. He has made
several that they have not accepted. You know, one of the areas . . .
I’ve been researching this, Mr. Deputy Speaker, quite a lot. I’ve been reading
some of the work done by Tom Cardoso and Robyn Doolittle. These are two
journalists on a national level that look into freedom of information systems
across Canada. They’re very critical of the current Canadian freedom of
information system.
They’ve also written at length about
Saskatchewan’s freedom of information system. And I would invite the viewing
public, if they want to look more into how Saskatchewan measures up — or fails
to — in comparison to the rest of Canada, check out their article “Public
bodies in Saskatchewan ignore the Information Commissioner’s decisions to
release records because they can.” That’s the headline, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
We need a system where the Privacy
Commissioner can compel the production of documents, can compel it. There’s no
excuse for the fact that we don’t have that mechanism. Now they have not chosen
to introduce that into legislation because it doesn’t benefit them. They don’t
want more accountability. They don’t want scrutiny. And it begs the question,
why not? Mr. Deputy Speaker, why not?
Our freedom of information legislation
is 30 years old. It needs to be updated. The Saskatchewan NDP were pioneers when
we introduced some of the first freedom of information legislation, and it was
very progressive at the time. We are no longer a leader in this. Like so many
other things, we are no longer a leader.
And I want to be very clear, the only
thing wrong with Saskatchewan, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is its government. We have
been leaders and we can be leaders again. And I challenge this Sask Party
government to take up the mantle, to have a look at this legislation, bring it
into the 21st century, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, again, what will
this quote unquote no-plan NDP do? We commit, we commit to putting all of the
recommendations of the Privacy Commissioner into law. We make that commitment
today, and we’ve made it before. We commit to taking those seriously and we
commit to passing them into law. Though we would go further, Mr. Deputy
Speaker, and we would ensure that Saskatchewan has the most progressive freedom
of information system in the entire country. That is our commitment, Mr.
Speaker.
A little-known fact about what has
happened since the 2020 election. This government has introduced legislation in
the Ministry of Social Services that takes the access to information regime in
that area — an area involving extremely sensitive documents, often to do with
residential school survivors, often to do with survivors of extreme trauma at
the hands of government — and they’ve taken that Ministry of Social Services
area and just carved it out of the entire freedom of information system, which
is already lacking to begin with, and ensured that there are no checks and
balances.
This is something that a lot of people
don’t know has happened under this Minister of Social Services and under this
Sask Party government since the 2020 election. They have actually made it
harder to access Ministry of Social Services documents. Often those have to do
with residential schools, Sixties Scoop, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
So if I need to put too fine a point on
it, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is that the rest of Canada is moving in one direction —
which is to open those records up, face our colonial legacy, make amends — and
Saskatchewan, ground zero for much of that colonial project, is moving in the
opposite direction, moving in the opposite direction. It’s unacceptable, Mr.
Deputy Speaker.
And of all these areas, these are things
that I care deeply about. These are things that my colleagues care deeply
about. But that is perhaps the thing that I find most reprehensible about how
this government has approached transparency and openness, is the changes
they’ve made to the Ministry of Social Services information and access to that
information. It is unacceptable, particularly when so much is at stake. I’m not
just talking historically.
You know, I learned this week our
numbers in terms of children who die in care go up, they go up every year. Year
after year they go up. And unfortunately this year they’ve gone up again. This
is the kind of information — information about loved ones — that people will be
seeking out when they make access requests around these types of records. And
instead of making those records more available, they are moving in the opposite
direction, in the wrong direction, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
In the face of a Sask Party government
that is failing so badly on these fronts, there is not a day that passes when
questions are raised as to their ethics, as to their openness, as to their
transparency. And we saw that, you know, earlier this week, this idea that the
rules don’t apply. We saw that earlier this week. It was reported on widely,
including nationally, these hundreds of texts sent to the Speaker, pressuring
him to make certain decisions . . . They don’t want me to talk
about this, Mr. Deputy Speaker, like they don’t want me to talk about so many
things. The least open and transparent government in Saskatchewan’s history.
The Sask NDP condemns this Sask Party’s
record on transparency and accountability. And we will bring a comprehensive
plan. We will bring that to the people of Saskatchewan in this upcoming election.
You have as that a guarantee. And with that, Mr. Deputy Speaker, we are
committed to building a government that works for people, that is open for
people, that is responsive to the people of Saskatchewan — not Calgary
companies, not out-of-country companies, but Saskatchewan people.
So with that, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I see
we’re a minute shy of 12:30, so I move:
That the Assembly
calls upon the government to pass legislation to improve accountability and
transparency in Saskatchewan with regards to lobbying, electoral finance,
conflict of interest, and freedom of information.
I do so move.
The
Deputy Speaker: — The member from Regina
Elphinstone-Centre has moved:
That this Assembly
calls on the government to pass legislation to improve accountability and
transparency in Saskatchewan with regards to lobbying, electoral finance,
conflict of interest, and freedom of information.
[12:30]
Is the Assembly ready for the question?
I recognize the member from Regina University.
Ms.
A. Young: — Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker. It’s a privilege to enter in after a remarkable speech by the member
from Regina Elphinstone-Centre. And I’d like to maybe just make one last
comment on this matter, Mr. Speaker.
You know, the thing about transparency is
it’s completely fine if you’ve got nothing to hide, Mr. Speaker. And I believe
the members opposite have nothing to hide, so they should not be afraid of
actually being the most transparent government in Canada, Mr. Speaker.
But what we see is a lack of respect for
this institution, a lack of respect for transparency, a lack of respect for
accountability. And, Mr. Deputy Speaker, let’s be clear. Members opposite like
to talk. They like to talk about costs and what’s the plan. Well I’ve got great
news for the members opposite. This is a no-cost opportunity for them to not
just save taxpayer money but to save taxpayers money.
This will save the people of
Saskatchewan from having to pay outrageous, elevated fees to this government,
Mr. Speaker. This will save taxpayers money through that purifying lens of
sunlight when it comes to accountability on spending, on taxpayer dollars, on
making sure that they’re all spent in the most accountable, straightforward
method.
So, Mr. Speaker, I don’t know how this
is anything but win-win for the people of Saskatchewan, win-win for the members
opposite who certainly have nothing to hide. No cost, plenty of opportunity,
absolutely the right thing to do. And it’ll be free.
So with that, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move
to adjourn debate.
The
Deputy Speaker: — The member from Regina University
has moved to adjourn debate. Is that agreed?
Some
Hon. Members: — Agreed.
The
Deputy Speaker: — Carried. I recognize the Deputy
House Leader.
Hon.
Ms. Carr: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We
move that this House do now adjourn.
The
Deputy Speaker: — The Deputy House Leader has moved
that this House do now adjourn. Is that agreed?
Some
Hon. Members: — Agreed.
The
Deputy Speaker: — Carried. This House stands adjourned
until Monday at 1:30.
[The Assembly adjourned at 12:33.]
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