CONTENTS
Honouring Saskatchewan’s Winter Olympians and Paralympians
Vigil Marks 10th Anniversary of Girl’s Disappearance
Green Shirt Day
Encourages Organ Donation
Support for
Saskatchewan Polytechnic Training Program
Minister of Advanced
Education
Reporting Mechanism for Health Care Workers
Measures to Curb Spread
of Tuberculosis
Construction and
Maintenance of Schools
Health Care for Women
and Victims of Violence
PRESENTING REPORTS BY
STANDING AND SPECIAL COMMITTEES
Standing Committee on
the Economy
Bill No. 35 — The
Mineral Resources Amendment Act, 2025
PRESENTING REPORTS BY
STANDING AND SPECIAL COMMITTEES
Standing Committee on
Human Services
PRESENTING REPORTS BY
STANDING AND SPECIAL COMMITTEES
Standing Committee on
Human Services
Second Reading of Bill
No. 612
Management of Public
Resources
PRIVATE MEMBERS’ PUBLIC
BILLS AND ORDERS
Motion No. 1 —
Support for Development of Pipeline to West Coast

SECOND
SESSION — THIRTIETH LEGISLATURE
of
the
Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan
DEBATES
AND PROCEEDINGS
(HANSARD)
N.S. Vol. 67 No. 45A Thursday,
April 02, 2026, 10:00
[Prayers]
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of Highways.
Hon. Kim
Gartner: —
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Request leave for an extended introduction.
Speaker
Goudy: — The minister has requested leave for
an extended introduction. Is leave granted?
Some
Hon. Members: — Agreed.
Hon. Kim
Gartner: —
Mr. Speaker, I’d like to take this opportunity to welcome and introduce two
individuals seated up in your gallery. Firstly, Mr. Speaker, Candle
Onyskevitch. Candle is the ministerial assistant for the Ministry of Highways.
I have come to appreciate Candle’s very efficient office skills and her very
infectious laughter. I’d like all members to welcome Candle to this, her
Legislative Assembly.
And secondly, Mr. Speaker I’d like to
welcome Keenan Boutilier. Keenan has served Saskatchewan with dedication and
professionalism through a number of roles over the years — and he’s currently
serving as my chief of staff — including within government and within the
Saskatchewan Party office. He is thoughtful, thorough, kind, and someone with a
very good head on his shoulders.
I have valued his advice, his steady
approach, and his commitment to public service. I have especially enjoyed the
time we have spent together travelling many miles on Saskatchewan highways.
Those drives gave me a chance to get to know Keenan, not just as a colleague
but as a person. I have always appreciated hearing his stories about the places
he has lived all across Canada, from Ontario to Montreal to British Columbia.
Those conversations have made a real impression on me, Mr. Speaker.
Today is Keenan’s last day. Keenan is
now moving on to pursue a master’s degree in communication. While we certainly
will miss him, I know he has a bright future ahead. I ask all members to join
me in thanking Keenan for his service, and wish him every success in the next
chapter on his journey. Thank you, Keenan.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Regina Rochdale.
Joan Pratchler: — Thank you, Mr.
Speaker. I would like, to you and through you, to welcome some wonderful
students from MacNeill elementary school, one of the schools in Rochdale. Thank
you very much for coming today to see what we do in government. They are
accompanied today by their teacher Jessica Turbuck. And I will be visiting with
them afterwards and talking about all those good questions. Thank you so much.
And I’d like to invite everyone to
welcome them to this, their legislature, today.
Speaker
Goudy: — I recognize
the Minister of Parks, Culture and Sport.
Hon. Alana
Ross: — Thank you,
Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I request leave for an extended introduction.
Speaker Goudy: — The minister has requested leave for an
extended introduction. Is leave granted?
Some Hon. Members: — Agreed.
Hon. Alana
Ross: — Thank you,
Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today we are joined by a number of Olympic,
Paralympic athletes, coaches, and officials. Some are seated in the west
gallery and others on the floor.
With us today
we have Paralympic wheelchair curler and gold medallist, Gilbert Dash. Gilbert
and his team had an amazing 11 and 0 record and are the first Paralympic
wheelchair team in curling in history to go undefeated. I know that was a
nail-biter of a game, I’m sure. Those of us who watched it, we were cheering
you on.
Gilbert has
also, as part of Team Canada, won world championships before, winning a bronze
in 2025 and a silver in 2023 and 2024. Gil is joined by Angela, Rygh, Crystal,
and Kai.
Mr. Speaker, also joining us is
snowboarding coach Adam Burwell, who has coached on Canada’s snowboarding teams
with the likes of Mark McMorris. Coach Adam is joined by Brian Burwell,
Jennifer Burwell, and Barbara March-Burwell.
Mr. Speaker, also joining us is Kaspar
Wirz of Saskatoon. This was Kaspar’s eighth Paralympic Games, and this time he
was the head coach of Australia para Nordic team. Kaspar previously coached
five Olympic Games with Team Canada, with China, and with the republic of South
Korea, and was recognized in 2019 at the Saskatchewan Sports Awards for Coach
Dedication. Kaspar is joined by Derrick, Griffen, and Elisabeth Wirz.
Mr. Speaker, also joining us today is
men’s hockey official Tarrington Wyonzek — and my apologies for the
pronunciations. Originally from Yorkton, this was Tarrington’s first Olympic
Games. He regularly officiates WHL [Western Hockey League] and AHL [American
Hockey League] games and International Ice Hockey Federation events.
Mr. Speaker, also joining us is figure
skating judge Karen Howard. Originally from Melville, Karen attended her second
Olympics as judge for figure skating. Her first games were in the Sochi games.
Karen’s also judged the 2026 World Figure Skating Championships in the Czech
Republic, and is a member of the Saskatchewan Sports Hall of Fame. Karen is
joined by Brad Howard.
Mr. Speaker, also joining us is speed
skating referee Moyca Stoffel of Saskatoon. This was Moyca’s first Olympics.
She was recognized by Speed Skating Canada with an Officials Award of
Excellence for the 2024‑25 season.
Also joining us today is physiotherapist
Stephanie Peppler of Regina. Stephanie was the physiotherapist for Canada’s
para snowboarding team. This was her first Olympics, and she works as a
physiotherapist, or has worked with the U of S [University of
Saskatchewan] Huskies football team as well as the Regina Thunder. And
Stephanie’s special guest today is Stacie Day.
Mr. Speaker, also joining us are members
of Sask Sport, the Coaches Association of Saskatchewan, and the Canadian Sports
Centre Saskatchewan. Our government is committed to supporting all levels of
sport through our valued partnership with Sask Sport. Thank you for all the
good work that you do.
Mr. Speaker, I ask that all members
please join me in welcoming these guests to their Legislative Assembly.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Regina Wascana Plains.
Brent Blakley: — Thank you, Mr.
Speaker. I would like to join the minister in welcoming all these folks to
their legislature — the officials from Sask Sport, all the Paralympians,
Olympians, coaches, support staff, officials — and just welcome and thank them
and their families for all that they do for the province and for the country. I
see some have brought their medals with them, and I’ll go in and take a bite
out of that just to see if it’s real later. I don’t know. It doesn’t look
official, but I’ll check it out later.
I know everybody sat in their living
rooms and even in our offices watching the Olympics, on the edge of their seat,
cheering loudly every move that these folks made, and cheering them on to
something that they did. Just extraordinary for . . . And they did
themselves, their province, and their country very well. So I thank them and
welcome them to their legislature.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of Trade and Export.
Hon. Warren
Kaeding: —
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To you and through you and all members of the
Legislative Assembly, I would like to take a moment to introduce a couple of
members of our Trade and Export office staff. Seated in the west gallery is our
chief of staff, Michelle Lang, and we have Arlie Matisho. He’s the MA
[ministerial assistant] of comms. I tell everyone Arlie knows more about what
I’m thinking than what I do.
So anyway, today I do want to focus on
Michelle. And Michelle truly is a dedicated public servant who provides
professionalism, sound judgment, and a strong work ethic to her role each and
every day. And she plays a very critical role, really, in supporting our
office, ensuring that we are delivering for the people of Saskatchewan, and
advancing certainly the priorities of our government. Her leadership, her
commitment, and steady guidance are really deeply appreciated not only by me
but truly our entire team.
Mr. Speaker, in our office we share a
lot of laughs, we discuss a lot of politics, and we share personal stories. And
I’ve attempted to add some country to the city girl. However last night,
Michelle’s boyfriend, Brent Bashutski, has made it his lifelong commitment to
educate Michelle on all things rural as he proposed. And she agreed. So
Michelle has agreed to be his lifelong hunting partner, his combine operator,
and vodka taster.
Mr. Speaker, really this truly is an
exciting milestone and on behalf of myself, certainly of our caucus, and really
all members of this Assembly, we truly do wish Michelle and her fiancé, Brent,
every happiness as they begin their incredible next chapter together. I’d ask
all members in joining me in welcoming Michelle to her Legislative Assembly and
wishing her the best and warmest congratulations.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Regina University.
Sally Housser: — Thank you very
much, Mr. Speaker. I’m delighted to welcome today 46 grade 8 students from W.F.
Ready School in the great constituency of Regina University. Delighted to have
you all here today, W.F. Ready School, to learn about the legislative process, to
see question period, and your legislators in action. And looking forward to
having a visit with you after this session. Enjoy.
And I’d ask all members to join me in
welcoming this wonderful school group and their teachers, Tammy Richter and
Shianne Crichlow, to the legislature here today.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Last Mountain-Touchwood.
Travis Keisig: — Thank you, Mr.
Speaker. To you and through you — you broke up the flow of the introductions —
I just wanted to say that Mr. Bashutski was a former constituent of mine before
Michelle drug him to the big city. And congratulate them on their nuptials. And
I know Mr. Bashutski is going to be in the same league as mine and realize that
as soon as you marry out of your league, Mr. Speaker, your whole life gets so
much better.
So to you and through you, Mr. Speaker,
congratulate Michelle and Brent on your upcoming nuptials.
Speaker
Goudy: — Congratulations.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Saskatoon Westview.
April ChiefCalf: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in the
Assembly today to present a petition to call on the Saskatchewan government to
take immediate action to stand up for Indigenous children and all vulnerable
students by advocating for the full restoration of funding previously supported
by Jordan’s principle.
Jordan’s
principle was established to ensure that First Nations children have equitable
access to the services they need, including supports in schools. The recent
loss of this federal funding will leave a significant gap in Saskatchewan
classrooms, especially for Indigenous students who rely on inclusive education
supports to thrive. And funding cuts by the federal government have led to the
layoff of 80 educational assistants from Saskatoon Public Schools, with more
funding shortfalls expected.
And
with that, Mr. Speaker, I will read the prayer.
We, in the prayer that reads as follows, respectfully
request the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan stand up for Saskatchewan and
advocate for the restoration of federal Jordan’s principle funding to support
Indigenous students in schools; commit to sustainable, predictable, and
equitable provincial funding for inclusive education across Saskatchewan; and
ensure education support workers have the resources and staffing they need to
keep classrooms safe and support every student’s learning journey.
Mr.
Speaker, the signatories today reside in Shellbrook, Lloydminster, and The
Battlefords. I do so present. Thank you.
[10:15]
Speaker Goudy: — I
recognize the
member from Regina Coronation Park.
Noor Burki: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We, the
undersigned residents of the province of Saskatchewan, wish to bring to your
attention the following: that the towns of White City, Emerald Park, and
surrounding communities have seen a sharp increase in population in recent
years; that many high schools in the surrounding rural municipalities are at or
over capacity; that White City and Emerald Park are the largest communities in
Saskatchewan with no high school and the only ones with a combined population
of 5,000 and more; and that the high school is needed to fulfill the education
needs of thousands of families that have moved to east of Regina, White City,
and surrounding communities who will have children attending high school in the
next three years.
We, in the prayer that reads as follows, respectfully
request the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan to call on the Government of
Saskatchewan to immediately prioritize the building of a high school in White
City.
Mr.
Speaker, the signatories of this petition reside in Emerald Park and White
City. I do so present.
Speaker Goudy: — I
recognize the
member from Saskatoon Chief Mistawasis.
Don McBean: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased to
rise and present a petition calling for equity in education for students with
disabilities.
The
undersigned residents of the province of Saskatchewan wish to bring to our
attention the following: that in 2023 the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission
conducted a review of policies, programs, funding models to provide targeted
supports for students living with dyslexia; that learning can be impaired by
many things beyond dyslexia — autism, ADHD [attention deficit hyperactivity
disorder], FASD [fetal alcohol spectrum disorder], dysgraphia, dyscalculia,
deafness, hard of hearing, blindness, visual impairment, mental health
challenges, intellectual disabilities, physical disabilities, chronic medical
conditions, and others.
The
access to education is a right under The Saskatchewan Human Rights Code,
and an untold number of students across Saskatchewan are being denied their
access to that right of education; that parents, teachers, families and, I
might say, retired principals across Saskatchewan have been calling for
increased classroom supports to meet the growing demand of increasingly large
and complex classrooms to ensure the success of all students, regardless of
abilities.
We, in the prayer the reads as follows, respectfully
request the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan call on the Government of
Saskatchewan to immediately work with the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission
to conduct an in-depth review of our public education system, specifically
around the policy, program, and funding models designed to support children
living with disabilities in our public education system.
The
signatories today all reside in Delisle. Thank you.
Speaker Goudy: — I
recognize the
member from Saskatoon Centre.
Betty Nippi-Albright: — Miigwech, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased to
rise and present this following petition about mental health and addictions.
The folks who have signed this petition wish to bring to your attention the
following. Saskatchewan has the highest rates of suicide among the provinces.
Indigenous people die by suicide at the rate of 4.3 times higher than
non-Indigenous people.
Saskatchewan
continues to break its own records in overdose deaths from drug toxicity. One
in four youth in Saskatchewan have reported engaging in self-harm at some
point. One in four youth reported having considered suicide in the past year.
And the children and youth advocate in her 2022 report noted that long wait
times and inadequate mental health and addictions services are leaving many
children and youth without access to care when they need it the most.
I’ll
read the prayer:
We, in the prayer that reads as follows, respectfully
request that the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan call on the government to
work with experts and community leaders on evidence-based solutions to the
mental health and addictions crisis in Saskatchewan.
The
folks who have signed this petition reside in Saskatoon. I do so present.
Speaker Goudy: — I
recognize the
member from Saskatoon University-Sutherland.
Tajinder Grewal: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to
present a petition to fix the funding crisis in the disability service sector
and for community-based organizations — in short, CBOs.
The
undersigned residents of the province of Saskatchewan wish to bring to your
attention the following: the disability service sector faces a funding crisis
that threatens CBO workforce stability and ability to provide essential
services due to the underfunding of transportation, meals, technology, and
maintenance; that the Ministry of Social Services funds CBOs for benefits at
approximately 16 per cent of salary funding, and this rate has remained
relatively unchanged for 20 years.
And
with that, Mr. Speaker, I’ll read the prayer as follows:
Respectfully request the Legislative Assembly of
Saskatchewan call on the Government of Saskatchewan to commit to a three-year
funding plan that strengthens CBO capacity and stabilizes the sector, while
simultaneously collaborating with CBOs on a job analysis for the disability
service sector, as well as a full review of the operational funding standards
to ensure adequate funding for areas including, but not limited to,
transportation, maintenance, technology, food, insurance, and audit.
This
petition has been signed by the residents of Kindersley. I do so present. Thank
you.
Speaker
Goudy:
— I recognize the member from Lloydminster.
Colleen Young: — Mr. Speaker, it is a great honour to
welcome to their legislature the outstanding athletes, coaches, officials, and
support staff, and thank the remarkable individuals who represented
Saskatchewan on the world stage. The impact of these games filled us with joy,
moments of heartfelt emotion, and deep pride in the accomplishment of our
athletes. Saskatchewan competitors did well at the 2026 Olympic and Paralympic
Winter Games, capturing six medals in total and achieving many personal best
results.
Medals
alone never capture the full picture. Every success is built on years of
relentless effort, perseverance, and sacrifice with countless hours devoted to
training, preparation, and navigating the emotional ups and downs. None of
these achievements would be possible without the unwavering support of
families, coaches, trainers, officials, volunteers, and the many others whose
commitment helped our athletes achieve their best. Many of those supporters are
with us today, and to every one of them I offer my sincerest gratitude.
We
are also grateful for the ongoing work of Sask Sport, the Coaches Association
of Saskatchewan, and the Canadian Sports Centre Saskatchewan for their
leadership in supporting our high-performance athletes and coaches. Mr.
Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to say how proud we all are of
the athletes and everyone who made this year’s Olympic and Paralympic Games a
success. Thank you.
Speaker Goudy: — I
recognize the
member from Saskatoon Meewasin.
Nathaniel Teed: — Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I
rise today to honour the life and legacy of Lynnett Boris, a long-time
Saskatchewan New Democrat, community advocate, and dear friend who tragically
passed away on January 6th at the age of 57 in the presence of her mother and
caregiver.
Lynnett
was always on the front lines pushing for more accessible and inclusive spaces,
ensuring that the voices of people with disabilities and seniors were heard and
respected. I first met Lynnett during the 2022 Meewasin by-election where she
volunteered countless hours, driven by her belief in building a better, more
compassionate Saskatchewan.
Mr.
Speaker, Lynnett’s kindness, determination, and unwavering commitment to
community will be deeply missed by all who knew her. Her legacy lives on in the
many lives she touched and the work she championed. On behalf of this Assembly,
I want to extend my deepest condolences to Lynnett’s family, friends, and loved
ones.
Speaker Goudy: — I
recognize the
member from Yorkton.
David Chan: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week I had
the heartbreaking privilege of sitting down with the Bali family to hear their
story first-hand. Many know the name Mekayla Bali, the 16‑year-old who
disappeared from Yorkton in 2016. Her mother, Paula, describes Mekayla as a
gentle, kind-hearted girl who loved music, photography, acting, and caring for
animals. She was a sweet child, a sweet kid who deeply loved her younger
siblings and had all the potential in the world.
The
morning of April 12th, 2016, Mekayla was dropped off at school but she never
came home. Ten years later there are still so few answers. She was last seen at
a Yorkton bus stop at 1:45 p.m., and then she vanished.
For
Paula and Mekayla’s siblings, life has been forever changed. They have
sacrificed everything in their search, following leads across provinces and
dedicating years to finding her. The pain of not knowing has never eased. Still
they hold on to faith in a God who knows where she is. This belief sustains
them even as it raises difficult questions. But for them, giving up is not an
option. They continue to believe that one day she could come home.
On
April 12th there will be a vigil in Yorkton to mark the 10‑year
anniversary of Mekayla’s disappearance. Paula asks that we keep Mekayla’s story
visible. So please visit her Facebook page at Let’s Bring Mekayla Bali Home and
share the posts. Let’s hope and pray with this dear family that Mekayla is safe
and that she will come home soon. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Speaker Goudy: — I recognize the member from Regina
Rochdale.
Joan Pratchler: — Mr. Speaker, for the past six weeks,
like many of the Christian religions and those of my faith, the Roman Catholic
rite, all over the world have been observing Lent. This Sunday, Palm Sunday, we
entered our Holy Week. And tonight we gather for our most solemn liturgy, the
Triduum, made up of Holy Thursday, Good Friday, and Easter Vigil.
In
my parish of Holy Rosary Cathedral here in Regina we begin Holy Thursday
tonight, commemorating the Last Supper of our Lord. This evening begins in a
stark, austere atmosphere punctuated not by the sound of the majestic McGuigan
organ, which will be silent, but rather only by the limited haunting melodies
of Gregorian chant.
Holy
Thursday is marked by the washing of the feet, and the Last Supper Eucharist is
there to remind us of our call to serve others. We pray and we exit in sombre
silence. And tomorrow is Good Friday, recognizing the Passion of Christ with
the veneration of the cross, followed by prayer vigils going well on into the
night.
But
then comes Easter Vigil night, an explosion of symbolism for the senses — of
incense, baptismal waters, flames, and music — all in majesty to mark the
highest feast day in our Christian faith.
All
of this richness reminds us again that we are not stuck as Good Friday people,
not resting in hopelessness, but rather we are an Easter people, a rejoicing
and joy-filled people. Alleluia to life everlasting. Alleluia.
Speaker Goudy: — I
recognize the
member from Carrot River Valley.
Terri Bromm: — Today I rise to speak about Green Shirt
Day, a day that holds meaning for many people. On April 7th each year Canadians
are encouraged to wear green, talk about organ donation, and register. Green
Shirt Day commemorates Logan Boulet, a Humboldt Broncos player who passed away
in the 2018 bus crash.
Logan
had shared his organ donation wishes with his family. That donation, that act,
saved six lives. It inspired a country. Nearly 150,000 Canadians registered as
organ donors in the weeks following the tragedy, this unprecedented response
now known as the Logan Boulet Effect. In the years since Logan’s organ
donation, thousands of Canadians have registered as organ and tissue donors,
now eight years later, continuing to inspire hope and awareness and action.
This
year’s theme, One Decision Can Create a Lasting Ripple Effect, highlighting the
extraordinary reach of a single choice, Canadians are encouraged to honour the
Logan Boulet Effect. The campaign emphasizes how choosing to register as an
organ donor and sharing that decision with loved ones can extend far beyond one
life, touching many families and communities. We are encouraged to engage in
conversations about organ donation, sharing stories that inspire others to give
the gift of life.
Green
Shirt Day is information that can save lives, a commitment to make a
difference, a reminder that the act of donating is a gift of life, a
celebration of power of giving, a day to be together strong. Thank you.
[10:30]
Speaker Goudy: — I
recognize the
member from Saskatoon Southeast.
Brittney Senger: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For 50 years,
April 2nd has been recognized globally as World Autism Awareness Day. Today it
is observed as World Autism Acceptance Day. This is a meaningful shift that
calls on us to understand autism and to embrace and support autistic people.
Acceptance
is when families can access therapies and one-on-one services without facing
overwhelming wait-lists and financial strain. In 2017 the Wall government made
a commitment to children and families living with autism. They promised
individualized annual funding for every child under 18 with an autism
diagnosis. They committed between $15,000 to $18,000 annually for children
under six, and nearly $5,000 for those aged 6 to 18.
When
the government committed to individualized funding, accessible services, and
early diagnosis, they sent a powerful message: autistic individuals are valued,
supported, and included. Yet they broke this promise and showed their
priorities lie elsewhere. If this government is serious about accepting
neurodivergent people, it’s time for their actions to match their words.
I
ask all members to join me in recognizing World Autism Acceptance Day.
Speaker Goudy: — I
recognize the
member from Dakota-Arm River.
Barret Kropf: — Mr. Speaker, this weekend billions of
people around the world will be celebrating Easter, a season filled with
reflection, togetherness, and hope. Across our province, churches will be
filled for Good Friday and Easter Sunday services, filled with hope by the work
of Jesus on the cross and his Resurrection. Many will travel long distances to
spend a few meaningful days with family, and that speaks to the heart of this
weekend.
Easter
encourages us to pause and appreciate the good around us — the warmth of
family, the strength of community, and the peace that comes from our faith. It
reminds us to slow down, reconnect, and be grateful for the blessings we often
overlook in the rush of daily life. Here in Saskatchewan those values are woven
into who we are. We see them in our communities, our churches, and in the way
neighbours support one another. May this weekend renew our hearts with
kindness, connection, and the simple message of hope that Easter brings us.
I
want to extend my warmest wishes this Easter to everyone across Saskatchewan
and to all my fellow MLAs [Member of the Legislative Assembly] and their
families. I hope your Easter is filled with love and laughter. And to you, Mr.
Speaker, Happy Easter to you and your family. God bless you and God bless
Saskatchewan.
Speaker
Goudy: — I recognize the Leader of the
Opposition.
Carla Beck: — Mr. Speaker, when
a government has been in power too long, there are signs. They start acting
like the rules don’t apply to them, like they don’t have to listen to the
people that they’re supposed to serve. I wonder if this sounds familiar.
Let’s talk about a recent letter from a
research scientist in the Sask Health Authority about the Premier’s decision to
close the health information management program at Sask Poly. I’m going to
quote: “The workforce risk is especially serious because Saskatchewan is
already facing human health resources strain.”
Why would the Premier choose to cause
even more strain in health care?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Premier.
Hon. Scott Moe: — Thank you very
much, Mr. Speaker. As the members opposite would know, and many people across
the province, this is a government that has embarked on a patients-first
initiative about a month ago, Mr. Speaker, introducing 50 action items that are
going to improve the outcomes in our health care system by supporting those
that are offering services in community after community, facility after
facility across this province.
Part of that patients-first health care
plan is to continue to expand the health care training that we have in all of
our post-secondary institutes across the province, including Sask Polytechnic,
Mr. Speaker, as well as our regional colleges and, of course, our universities.
This started a number of years ago with
the health human resource action plan, the most ambitious plan in Canada, Mr.
Speaker. Nine hundred health care training positions in those post-secondary
institutes delivered by this Advanced Education minister, Mr. Speaker. Added to
in this plan and in this budget with 20 additional College of Medicine training
positions, Mr. Speaker, focusing on Saskatchewan students that are going to
stay in a Saskatchewan community and offer those services, and increasing our
nurse practitioner training seats by over 45 per cent, Mr. Speaker.
This is truly going to go a long way in
supporting our health care workers, having a patients-focused, patients-centred
system, Mr. Speaker, and offering the right care in the right time at the right
place.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Leader of the Opposition.
Carla Beck: — We’re talking
about cuts to health care training at a time when we already have a health care
crisis, a health care staffing crisis in particular, in this province, Mr.
Speaker. It simply doesn’t make any sense.
I’m going to quote again from that
letter:
At a time when our
province is actively trying to recruit and sustain a health care workforce,
closing the HIM program weakens the local workforce pipeline that supports
health system operations, privacy, data quality, planning, and digital
transformation.
I end the quote, Mr. Speaker. Why would
this Premier choose to pile on more cuts at a time that we are already facing a
staffing crisis in health care?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of Advanced Education.
Hon. Ken
Cheveldayoff: —
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. As members opposite will know or should know,
Sask Poly is an autonomous institution. It’s a world-class autonomous
institution that is amongst the most well funded in Canada. They’ve won
research awards. They’ve won all kinds of accolades. And as recently as day
before yesterday, Dr. Rosia was on The Evan Bray Show talking about all
of the things that they are done.
This topic has come up; and again,
they’re an autonomous institution. I’ve asked them to take another look at it.
I’ve asked for the details on the number of applications in this program, and
so I’ll work to get more information on this. But again, we stand behind Dr.
Rosia and the world-class institution that Sask Poly is. I hope the members
opposite do the same.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Saskatoon
University-Sutherland.
Tajinder
Grewal: —
Mr. Speaker, when the Sask Party’s own scientists start speaking out about the
problems these cuts will cost, the minister should listen. I’ll read again from
that letter: “Closing the program also created avoidable dependency on
out-of-province recruitment.” “In practical terms, the province will likely
face high replacement costs, increased recruitment difficulty, and a less
stable workforce pipeline over time.”
Why is the Minister of Advanced
Education trying to make our province more reliant on out-of-province health
care workers?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of Advanced Education.
Hon. Ken
Cheveldayoff: —
Mr. Speaker, I’ll remind the member opposite that this member always listens,
this minister always listens, and this government always listens. When Sask
Poly and other institutions wanted to have stable, long-term funding, we came
up with a multi-year funding agreement many years ago. When that agreement
proved to be historic and leading edge across the country, very innovative, we
came up with a second agreement.
And Sask Poly and others will have the
assurances of an agreement like that, that is the envy of every province, every
minister, and you know, every institution across the country. So we will
continue to work closely with this world-class institution and ask questions
when necessary and provide those answers. Thank you.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Saskatoon
University-Sutherland.
Tajinder
Grewal: —
Mr. Speaker, this letter is scathing, and it should tell the Sask Party
government everything they need to know to stop this cut at Sask Poly. But they
won’t do it, Mr. Speaker. And that tells you everything you need to know about
the Sask Party government. You cannot provide health care to Saskatchewan
people without Saskatchewan health care workers.
How many other health care training
programs will be cut by this minister before the Sask Party government finally
invests in the future of health care?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of Advanced Education.
Hon. Ken
Cheveldayoff: —
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. If the member opposite, or any of the members
opposite, listened to Dr. Rosia on The Evan Bray Show the other day they
will have known that he provided statistics about the 20,000 layoffs that have
happened across Canada because of this federal government decision.
Yes, one is too many. And we’ve had some
in Saskatchewan, and we’re working hard to make sure that we have as few as
possible. And again, we will work with this world-class institution. We will
work with Dr. Rosia as a world-class educator as well.
But members opposite should put this in
to context again. And you know, in Manitoba the NDP government is closing the
Manitoba Institute of Trades and Technology, closing the entire institution.
That is what their philosophical friends are doing . . .
[Interjections]
Speaker
Goudy: — Order, please. Order, please.
Minister.
Hon. Ken
Cheveldayoff: —
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’ve other examples, but just the one to
finish. In BC [British Columbia] the NDP government there cut 177 programs and
laid off more than 1,000 individuals, Mr. Speaker.
Again we’re doing the best we can. We’re very proud of our record. We’re
providing historic funding. And we will stand by that institution, unlike
members opposite.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Cumberland.
Jordan McPhail: — Well thank you
very much, Mr. Speaker. It’s a little rich that the minister claims that he’s
listened. I suggest he reads a few of the news reports.
Mr. Speaker, Saskatchewan people are
struggling to pay the bills. For the first time in 20 years the population is
on the decline. People and investment are leaving our province. Families and
young people struggle to find a place that they can afford to live. All the
while the cost of food goes up, the cost of rent goes up, the cost of gas goes
up. Still this government refuses to cut the gas tax, the food tax, or bring in
rent control.
What does this Premier expect people to
do in places like Saskatoon — sublet from the Minister of Advanced Education?
Speaker
Goudy: — Okay,
that’ll be a wash there. Who’s going to answer that one? But I will — I
mentioned it yesterday — I will expect that there will be no questions
that are offside today based on the ruling of the last number.
Recognize the Minister of Finance.
Hon. Jim
Reiter: —
Mr. Speaker, that was just a broad, across-the-spectrum rant, Mr. Speaker.
Factually incorrect in very many cases, Mr. Speaker. On the rent comments, Mr.
Speaker, according to March’s Rentals.ca national rent, Saskatchewan still
maintains the lowest average rent in the country, Mr. Speaker. On
affordability, two and a half billion dollars on affordability measures in each
and every budget, Mr. Speaker.
And as far as the economy, while the
members opposite consistently run down the economy, Mr. Speaker, don’t take my
word for it. Let’s see what Deloitte has to say in their spring economic
forecast just released today, Mr. Speaker: “Saskatchewan is projected to have
the fastest GDP growth in 2026 and second-fastest in 2027.” Mr. Speaker, just
factually incorrect.
Speaker
Goudy: — I recognize the member from
Cumberland.
Jordan McPhail: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier this
week the Premier made it clear that he has full confidence in the Minister of
Advanced Education. There’s been a request for an independent investigation by
the Conflict of Interest Commissioner and troubling comments made
. . .
Speaker Goudy: — Member from Cumberland, I’m going to
take some time to read a rule . . . [inaudible interjection]
. . . No, I will take some time to read the rule for all of the
members . . . [inaudible interjection] . . . No, we won’t
be stopping the clock.
QUESTION PERIOD
. . .
20(2) Questions relating to any matter within the administrative competence of
the government or on matters related to individual ministerial responsibility
may be asked of a Minister of the Crown. Questions on issues not officially
connected with the government, of a private nature, [or specifically] related
to Board of Internal Economy, caucus, party or political responsibilities are
prohibited.
I have ruled it out of order, the
questions concerning the lease of constituency offices. So I will expect that
there will be no more questions or allusions to that in our questions. Do you
have a question other than that, Member from Cumberland?
I recognize the member from Saskatoon
Meewasin.
[10:45]
Nathaniel Teed: — Thank you very
much, Mr. Speaker. Health care workers are worried. They’re worried that they
can’t pay their bills. They’re worried that their patients can’t get the care
they need in crowded care homes and hospitals. And now they’re worried about
the Sask Party’s plan to set up a snitch line in their workplaces. Instead of
fixing a health care system that is literally collapsing around them, this
Premier and his ministers are going after the very workers holding our health
care together.
Will this Minister of Health scrap his
plan for a snitch line today?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of Health.
Hon. Jeremy
Cockrill: —
Mr. Speaker, the members’ opposite position on this is quite puzzling, Mr.
Speaker. Any large employer of any size in the private sector, Mr. Speaker, or
in the public sector as well, has a whistle-blower process if an employee of
that organization sees something that is concerning and needs to raise it in an
anonymous manner, Mr. Speaker. That’s what the Saskatchewan Health Authority
has put out an RFP [request for proposal] to obtain this system, Mr. Speaker.
I think it’s reasonable that SHA
[Saskatchewan Health Authority] employees have that opportunity, the same
opportunity that’s afforded to employees of large corporations right across the
world and here in Canada, Mr. Speaker. I’m not quite sure who the members
opposite are trying to defend here. Thank you.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Saskatoon Meewasin.
Nathaniel Teed: — Mr. Speaker, it’s
shocking that this Sask Party government just isn’t listening to health care
workers. Health care workers have been very clear. They want respect, they want
a contract, and they want an end to short-staffing so that they can care for their
patients.
That’s a simple request. Simple request,
Mr. Speaker. What does this government give them? A snitch line to rat on each
other and keep workers looking over their shoulders instead of delivering care
for their patients. How much more disrespect does this minister think health
care workers are going to take from this Saskatchewan Party government?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of Health.
Hon. Jeremy
Cockrill: —
Well right here on display, Mr. Speaker, we see why it’s hard to take the
opposition seriously, Mr. Speaker. Just a few minutes ago — hold on here — just
a few minutes ago the member from Saskatoon University-Sutherland stands up and
says that we need to respect and listen to people. Now we have the member from
Saskatoon Meewasin standing up saying that we shouldn’t have a way to listen to
folks who work in the health care system, Mr. Speaker. Which one is it?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Athabasca.
Leroy
Laliberte: —
Mr. Speaker, health care in the province is a mess. We learned this week at
committee that there were 22 cases of tuberculosis in Prince Albert, but there
was no public warning or announcement from the government to let people know or
to warn them to stay safe.
Why did the Sask Party government keep
these cases of tuberculosis under wraps? And why didn’t they warn the people of
Saskatchewan?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of Remote and Rural Health.
Hon. Lori Carr: — Thank you, Mr.
Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we take the health and welfare of every Saskatchewan
resident seriously. The risk to the general public with regards to tuberculosis
is very low. It is not easily spread. To be infected you generally must have a
close friend . . . frequent or prolonged contact over a long period
of several hours with someone to become infectious. When public health becomes
aware of a TB [tuberculosis] case, work is done to identify and directly
contact people who have been potentially exposed, Mr. Speaker.
Our government actually provided
$3 million this year to the tuberculosis prevention and control centre,
and we will continue to do that work, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Athabasca.
Leroy
Laliberte: — Mr. Speaker,
the Sask Party government is failing to deliver for the people of Prince Albert
and the North. People from my constituency travel into Prince Albert on the
daily, and they should know the nearly two dozen cases of tuberculosis when
they go. People in the North are limited to access to health care already, Mr.
Speaker. They want to protect their Elders and not bring tuberculosis into
their communities. They can’t do this when the Sask Party keeps vital
information under wraps.
Will the Sask
Party apologize to the people in the North about not warning of the
tuberculosis outbreak in Prince Albert, Mr. Speaker?
Speaker Goudy: — I recognize the Minister of Remote and Rural
Health.
Hon. Lori Carr: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just want to
repeat that you need to have close, frequent, and prolonged contact over a
period of several hours with someone to become infectious, Mr. Speaker. Public
health works with these cases and identifies who that individual has been in
contact with and contacts them directly by tracing that, Mr. Speaker.
Tuberculosis
is treatable and curable. The Ministry of Health and the Saskatchewan Health
Authority work to ensure appropriate TB supports and care are available to
anyone who needs it. That’s that $3 million that I talked about in the
previous answer. Mr. Speaker, we will continue to fund initiatives to keep
people safe.
Speaker Goudy: — I recognize the member from Saskatoon Eastview.
Matt Love: — Thank you, Mr.
Speaker. You know, every day since the Sask Party brought forward their
bad-news budget, the Minister of Education has denied that there are any delays
to fix or build schools in Saskatchewan. Now parents know that’s not true.
School boards know that’s not true. And the principal at Campbell Collegiate
here in Regina knows that’s not true either.
In a letter sent to parents this week,
the principal says that some projects, including the needed renovation at their
school, will be delayed next year.
Will the minister finally admit that
this bad-news budget is delaying school projects in Saskatchewan?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of Education.
Hon. Everett
Hindley: —
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to clarify, this is a good-news budget, a good
budget for the people of Saskatchewan, including the education sector, Mr.
Speaker. And there’s a number of schools that have been announced by this
government that the member opposite has referenced — including the Campbell
Collegiate project, along with a number of other projects in Saskatoon, in
Regina, and other parts of the province — that have been announced that are in
various stages of design, construction, you name it, Mr. Speaker.
And these are all projects that are
going to be completed and they’re going to be opened in due course, Mr.
Speaker. We’re going to have a number of new schools, just like we’ve had
announced and opened in previous months and years, Mr. Speaker. We’re proud of
the investment that we’re making into school projects right across this
province.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Saskatoon Eastview.
Matt Love: — Mr. Speaker, the
minister refuses to use the word “delay” in describing the impact of his
budget, but the principal at Campbell Collegiate doesn’t hold back. I’ll quote
from the letter: “I understand that this delay may be frustrating.” It’s there
in black and white, even though the minister refuses to say it out loud —
delay.
Will the minister join those of us who
live in reality and admit that his bad-news budget is causing delays for school
projects?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of Education.
Hon. Everett
Hindley: —
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are other words that can be used as well, words
like “closed.” 176 schools closed by the members opposite during their time in
government, Mr. Speaker. And, Mr. Speaker, the . . .
[Interjections]
Speaker
Goudy: — Order. Order, please.
Minister.
Hon. Everett
Hindley: —
And there’s also the word “open,” Mr. Speaker. This past fall we opened a new
school, a K to 12 [kindergarten to grade 12] in Lanigan. We opened a new
joint-use elementary school in Moose Jaw, replacing three schools there. We
opened a new joint-use elementary school in Regina, replacing four schools here
in this city, Mr. Speaker. We opened a new elementary school in Saskatoon,
replacing St. Frances Cree.
We opened a new school in La Loche, Mr.
Speaker, and just a couple weeks ago we announced the opening of a new École du
Parc school for the CÉF [Conseil des écoles fransaskoises] school division, Mr.
Speaker. That’s the record of this government, Mr. Speaker. We’re going to
continue to announce new schools and open new schools, Mr. Speaker.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Saskatoon Eastview.
Matt Love: — Mr. Speaker,
teachers and students at Campbell Collegiate deserve the repairs to their
school this year. And the teachers and students in Carlyle and The Towns
project in Regina, they deserve the schools promised to them this year by that
government. But they’re all delayed. They’re all delayed even if the minister
won’t admit the facts because of his bad-news budget for education. And they’re
worried that these projects will never come because of the cuts to school
capital funding. It’s right in their budget, a 35 per cent cut to school
capital.
So to the minister: why? Why should
these students and teachers believe what the minister says about the future if
he can’t even say the word “delayed” about this year’s budget?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of Education.
Hon. Everett
Hindley: —
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These are all schools that are going to be built, and
some are under construction right now as we’ve talked about, as I’ve indicated
multiple times. They’re being built as we speak today and have been opened this
past fall and in the years previous as part of the 109 schools that this
government has been proud to open, brand new schools or either that or major
renovations around this province, Mr. Speaker.
And we are proud of the
$123 million capital budget we have for schools in this province in this
budget, Mr. Speaker, far and ahead of the $23 million that was in the
NDP’s budget back in 2007 for new schools.
I look forward to the day when we open
all these schools, including Campbell Collegiate here in Regina when that
project is completed and that member there is looking for the photo op.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Regina South Albert.
Aleana Young: — Thank you very
much, Mr. Speaker. You know, people in my constituency deserve to see those
repairs at Campbell completed, and they deserve to have access to reliable,
affordable power. Now we know that bills are already going to double because of
that government’s plan.
But yesterday at committee we learned
that costs are going to go even higher. Now I asked the Environment minister if
she believes the provincial government should be responsible for the carbon
tax, and the minister said, and I quote, yes. I asked if that included the
electricity sector, and again she said, yes.
So how much more will people’s rates go
up when the Sask Party government brings back their carbon tax?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of CIC [Crown Investments
Corporation of Saskatchewan].
Hon. Jeremy
Harrison: —
Oh my. Well I can tell you, Mr. Speaker, there are a few topics I’m more happy
to talk about than getting rid of the carbon tax, Mr. Speaker.
This is the only carbon tax-free
province in the entire country, Mr. Speaker. And we are very proud of being the
first province to remove both the consumer carbon tax and the industrial carbon
tax, Mr. Speaker, from people’s power bills and from people’s gas bills here in
Saskatchewan; I would add, Mr. Speaker, with the opposition from the NDP to
doing so and their rock-solid commitment to bringing the carbon tax back, Mr.
Speaker.
That is something we are not going to
do, Mr. Speaker. We took that carbon tax off their SaskPower bills. It’s not
going back on unless people vote for the NDP, in which case it will.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Regina Northeast.
Jacqueline Roy: — Thank you, Mr.
Speaker. Now the Prince Albert police reported that in 2025 there were 150
sexual violations, an increase of 6 per cent since 2024. Now this is P.A.
[Prince Albert] alone.
So last night the Minister of Health
revealed that sexual assault nurse examiners provide exhaustive forensic exams
in Prince Albert — wait for it — only during the hours of 7:30 a.m. to 4 p.m.
The only other workers of course are in Regina and Saskatoon.
Now P.A. serves half the province. The
Health Authority requested at least 1.8 million, maybe more — I’m looking
into that — for supports. That Finance minister vetoed it.
Why is the Minister of Finance making it
impossible for victims of sexual violence to get 24‑7 help in half of the
province?
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the Minister of Health.
Hon. Jeremy
Cockrill: —
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I did indicate in committee last night,
we do have sexual assault nurse examiners available 24‑7 in both Regina
and Saskatoon. In Prince Albert we’re continuing to train and staff-up there.
Currently that service is, as the member indicates and as I shared at committee
last night, available from 7:30 a.m. till 4 p.m.
However, Mr. Speaker, the member left
out of her question what I also added, is that outside of those hours, Mr.
Speaker, we have highly qualified emergency room physicians and nursing staff
at Prince Albert Victoria Hospital. We have a great deal of trust in the work
that they do, not only for the people of Prince Albert but also for folks right
across northern Saskatchewan as they come and receive services at the Prince
Albert Victoria Hospital.
Speaker
Goudy: — I
recognize the member from Saskatoon Meewasin.
Nathaniel Teed: — Thank you very
much, Mr. Speaker. I move that Bill 618, The Provincial Health Authority
(Prohibiting Anonymous Reporting Mechanisms) Amendment Act be now
introduced and read a first time.
Speaker
Goudy: — It has been moved by the member from
Saskatoon Meewasin that Bill No. 618, The Provincial Health Authority
(Prohibiting Anonymous Reporting Mechanisms) Amendment Act be now
introduced and read a first time. Is it the pleasure of the Assembly to adopt
the motion?
Some
Hon. Members: — Agreed.
Speaker
Goudy: — Carried.
Deputy
Clerk: — First
reading of this bill.
Speaker Goudy: — When shall this bill be read a second time?
Nathaniel Teed: — At the next sitting of the Assembly.
Speaker Goudy: — Next sitting.
[11:00]
Speaker Goudy:
— I recognize the Chair of the Standing Committee on the Economy.
Daryl Harrison: — Mr. Speaker, I’m instructed by the
Standing Committee on the Economy to report Bill No. 35, The Mineral
Resources Amendment Act, 2025 without amendment.
Speaker
Goudy: — When shall this bill be considered
in Committee of the Whole on Bills? I recognize the Minister of Energy and
Resources.
Hon. Chris
Beaudry: —
I request leave to waive consideration in Committee of the Whole on this bill
and that the bill be now read for the third time.
Speaker
Goudy: — The minister has requested leave to
waive consideration in the Committee of the Whole on Bill No. 35, The
Mineral Resources Amendment Act, 2025 and that the bill be now read a third
time. Is leave granted?
Some
Hon. Members: — Agreed.
Speaker
Goudy: — The minister may proceed and move
third reading.
Hon. Chris
Beaudry: —
I move that the bill be now read the third time and passed under its title.
Speaker
Goudy: — It has been moved by the minister
that the bill be now read the third time and passed under its title. Is the
Assembly ready for the question?
Some
Hon. Members: — Question.
Speaker
Goudy: — Is it the pleasure of the Assembly
to adopt the motion?
Some
Hon. Members: — Agreed.
Speaker
Goudy: — Carried.
Deputy
Clerk: — Third reading of this bill.
Speaker Goudy:
— I recognize the Chair of the Standing Committee on Human Services.
Travis Keisig: — Mr. Speaker, I am instructed by the
Standing Committee on Human Services to report Bill No. 36, The Change
of Name Amendment Act, 2025, a bilingual bill, without amendment.
Speaker
Goudy: — When shall this bill be considered
in the Committee of the Whole on Bills? I recognize the Minister of Health.
Hon. Jeremy
Cockrill: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I request
leave to waive consideration in Committee of the Whole on this bill and that
the bill now be read a third time.
Speaker Goudy: — The minister has requested leave to waive
consideration in the Committee of the Whole on Bill No. 36, The Change
of Name Amendment Act, 2025 and that the bill be now read the third time.
Is leave granted?
Some Hon. Members: — Agreed.
Speaker Goudy: — The minister may proceed to move third
reading.
Hon. Jeremy
Cockrill: —
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the bill now be read the third
time and passed under its title.
Speaker
Goudy: — It has been moved by the minister
that the bill be now read the third time and passed under its title. Is the
Assembly ready for the question?
Some
Hon. Members: — Question.
Speaker
Goudy: — Is it the pleasure of the Assembly
to adopt the motion?
Some
Hon. Members: — Agreed.
Speaker
Goudy: — Carried.
Deputy
Clerk: — Third reading of this bill.
Speaker Goudy:
— I recognize the Chair of the Standing Committee on Human Services.
Travis Keisig: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am instructed
by the Standing Committee on Human Services to report Bill No. 37, The
Vital Statistics Amendment Act, 2025, a bilingual bill, without amendment.
Speaker
Goudy: — When shall this bill be considered
in the Committee of the Whole on Bills? I recognize the Minister of Health.
Hon. Jeremy
Cockrill: —
Mr. Speaker, I request leave to waive consideration in Committee of the Whole
on this bill and that the bill be now read the third time.
Speaker
Goudy: — The minister has requested leave to
waive consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bill No. 37, The Vital
Statistics Amendment Act, 2025 and that the bill be now read the third
time. Is leave granted?
Some
Hon. Members: — Agreed.
Speaker
Goudy: — The minister may proceed to move
third reading.
Hon. Jeremy
Cockrill: —
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the bill now be read the third time and
passed under its title.
Speaker
Goudy: — It has been moved by the minister
that the bill be now read the third time and passed under its title. Is the
Assembly ready for the question?
Some
Hon. Members: — Question.
Speaker
Goudy: — Is it the pleasure of the Assembly
to adopt the motion?
Some
Hon. Members: — Agreed.
Speaker
Goudy: — Carried.
Deputy
Clerk: — Third reading of this bill.
Speaker
Goudy: — Why is the member on her feet?
Aleana Young: — Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Notwithstanding the government’s agenda and what’s published in Orders of
the Day, I seek leave to move the following motion:
That the Assembly
immediately consider second reading of Bill 612, The Lower Power Bills and
Car Insurance Act.
Speaker
Goudy: — Is leave granted?
Some
Hon. Members: — Agreed.
Some
Hon. Members: — No.
Speaker
Goudy: — Leave is not granted.
Speaker Goudy:
— I recognize the member from Cumberland.
Jordan McPhail: — Well thank you so much, Mr. Speaker.
I’ve got to say, it’s a great day in the legislature when we get to look at the
record of the scandal, mismanagement, and waste that this Sask Party government
has had in the recent reports that we’ve seen and in the news. We can see that
there has been clear violations of the rules that govern us all here in the
provincial legislature. We’ve had former Speakers come out and say that members
opposite have been warned not to get into a subletting agreement and, despite
having been told that multiple times, continued to violate the rules.
Now to say that this was a one-off would
not be an accurate statement, Mr. Speaker. I’ve got a very long list of
Saskatchewan Party scandal, mismanagement, and waste that has come to light
. . .
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — Why is the member on his feet?
Hon. Tim
McLeod: —
Point of order,
Mr. Speaker.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — What’s your point of order?
Hon. Tim
McLeod: —
Mr. Speaker, the member from Cumberland is proceeding to question prior rulings
of the Chair. That’s obviously unparliamentary language. And I would ask that
you make him withdraw and apologize, and insist that he discontinue from
questioning prior rulings of the Chair.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I find the order is well taken.
Oh, I’m sorry. Why is the member on her
feet?
Nicole Sarauer: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I would
hope you’d listen to my arguments against the member opposite’s point of order.
I would say that if you listen to his speech, it has nothing to do with the
rulings of the past Speaker. The past Speaker’s rulings were in relation to
questions asked during question period. This is not question period. These are
not questions that are being asked. These are well within the bounds of
parliamentary discussion and appropriate for 75‑minute debate.
I ask that you find that the member’s
point is not well taken.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I do find that the attempt to impugn
the character of the hon. member is very, very close to the line. And so I’m
going to ask the member from Cumberland to stay away from that conversation
completely. And consider this your warning.
The member from Cumberland, please.
Jordan McPhail: — Well thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
You know, when I spoke about the scandal, mismanagement, and waste by the
members opposite, it is quite clear that there is tons of evidence that we can
go on. I haven’t been in this House very long, Mr. Deputy Speaker, but you
know, again the news that we hear — clear violations of the rules.
When we look at past actions from this
government, I think of the Sask Party that let 2,000 social housing units sit
empty, resulting in $10 million in lost revenue. 60 per cent above asking
rate to let the Social Services clients stay at the Coachman Inn even though
the ministry officials advised them not to use it.
So here is a pure example, Mr. Deputy
Speaker. I live in northern Saskatchewan. During the course of the campaign, we
went to places like Cumberland House, where I sat with the former mayor Kelvin
McKay. We went through that community and looked at how many social housing
units were boarded up.
We went into Sandy Bay. We heard stories
of 14 and 16 people, up to three generations of families, living in a single
household. We had a Minister of Rural and Remote Health today talk about
tuberculosis and close contact. Well if one person comes back to northern
Saskatchewan in an overcrowded house, guess where that spreads to. The entire
community, Mr. Speaker.
Totally out of touch with the issues
facing northern Saskatchewan. Absolutely shameful, when we look at the
mismanagement and waste and what that has caused for the people of
Saskatchewan.
Again we had the former minister of
Social Services, now the chief of staff, talk to his office mate and ensure
that he was well taken care of. There was multiple taxpayer dollars that went
to jacked-up hotel rates in the Sunrise Motel scandal here in the city of
Regina. When people can’t find access to housing, when they can’t find access
to affordable social housing through the Saskatchewan housing authority and
then the government profits off of their own negligence to maintain their
properties, that is a clear violation of the rules.
Now when I look at the wildfire season
last year, we had folks that were asking for more resources on the line every
single day on the EOC [emergency operations centre] calls that I was sitting in
on.
Then it was an absolute shock to me that
the government broke its own procurement policies when they overspent
$100 million on the procurement of water bomber planes in northern
Saskatchewan . . .
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I would ask the member to withdraw
that statement because at present it is an allegation only in regards to the
spending of $100 million. That is to be proved in court. And so that is
only an allegation, not a statement of fact.
Why is the member on their feet?
Nicole Sarauer: — Just for clarity, Mr. Speaker, can you
explain exactly which rule the member opposite just violated in the ruling you
just made?
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — What I would say is that matters
that are before the court are only allegations, and so that is not to be seen
as a statement of fact, which is what the member did. And so I will ask that to
be withdrawn.
Jordan McPhail: — I withdraw that comment, Mr. Speaker.
And so the alleged overspend of $100 million, yet to be proven in court.
But I will say that $100 million,
Mr. Speaker, is almost the entire SPSA’s [Saskatchewan Public Safety Agency]
budget from last year. Almost the entire thing. So when you think that what you
could have done if you weren’t alleged to overspend $100 million — if it
is proved that $100 million was overspent by this government — they could
have quite literally doubled, almost doubled the SPSA rate.
Think of the amount of sprinklers, of
wildland fire protection that you could offer municipalities, of FireSmarting,
of putting more front-line resources. Thinking of the First Nations, the Métis,
and northern people who have been fighting fires for decades, time immemorial.
The Firekeepers of northern Saskatchewan have kept communities safe for time
immemorial. They could have put them to work.
They could have given the people on the
front line raises. We heard stories that there were people that were cooking
the firefighters’ meals that were making more money than the firefighters
themselves. That is shameful.
When we see this scandal, this
mismanagement and waste of the members opposite for time and time and time
again, it is absolutely 100 per cent clear to see that it is time for change
here in the province of Saskatchewan.
Now, Mr. Speaker, for some of the
members in here, they might not know the story, but I used to work as a cook up
in one of the exploration mines. And I made about $250 a day when I was working
in that exploration mine. Trying to find the world-class uranium all over
northern Saskatchewan. I saw the hard work of individuals. They deserved limo
rides all across this beautiful area, the amount of work that they had to do.
But I’m talking about limos, Mr. Deputy
Speaker. The only time that I ever had the opportunity to sit in a luxury limo
and enjoy a nice glass of champagne was on the way to my wedding day with my
now wife. It’s the only time that I was in a limo, Mr. Speaker.
But that is not the case for the former
minister of Environment, who decided to go into a $700‑a-day
Mercedes-Benz chauffeured limo in Paris. He visited the Napoleon’s tomb during
the working hours of a conference that he was meant to be attending. There was
three people registered to stay in his hotel room when it should have been just
him alone. Mr. Speaker, this again is an egregious breach of public trust that
they put in us to spend their money responsibly.
When I am told to go to a conference,
you can expect me to be there. I know there’s 27 members of this Assembly that
sit on this side of the House that, when they are given the honour and the
opportunity to attend conferences to learn about what makes this province great
and what can make it better, that we will have our butts in the chairs at those
conferences, listening to what can be better. We will not be driving around in
fancy limousines on the public dime. It is just plain wrong, Mr. Speaker.
We see this time and time and time and
time and time again from those members opposite. I am so glad that we’ve got
the opportunity here today to talk about public trust with public dollars.
But when I’m talking about SaskPower,
Mr. Speaker, the good people that are working there — the linesmen, the
construction workers that are climbing those poles — they pay taxes, they pay
their power bills no matter how high this government decides to jack them. And
when they add $37 million to SaskPower’s bills because of the smart meter
scandals that these folks had, that is a bill that eventually makes its way
down to the consumer.
[11:15]
This government talks about taking
things seriously. How can anyone in the province of Saskatchewan take any
member of that government cabinet seriously when they talk about the
affordability rates in the province, when they have squandered and lost so much
money through scandals and lawsuits and you name it? Alleged overspending, Mr.
Deputy Speaker, of $100 million on procurement of planes, and now breaking
their own rules, breaking the New West Partnership Agreement, Mr. Speaker.
As a municipal councillor, when I was
going through and looking at all of the different things that we needed to
procure for our municipality, you would see things on different valuation
limits for municipalities, for goods, for services, for all of these areas.
So again, Mr. Speaker, when we look at
the amount of money that was lost, when we look at $731,000 to Gary Grewal’s
motels — a former member of the government caucus — for the Social Services
clients after he was elected, compared to $2,000 in 2018 and 2020, that is not
a coincidence, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
What is clear, what is crystal clear and
should be crystal clear for every single person living in Saskatchewan is that
every one of the members opposite do not care about where the money is
squandered. All they care about is making sure that their friends are taken
care of, Mr. Speaker.
When I look into . . .
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — Why is the member on his feet?
Hon. Tim
McLeod: —
Point of order,
Mr. Speaker.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — What’s your point of order?
Hon. Tim
McLeod: —
Mr. Speaker, Rule 51(d) clearly says, a member shall not “reflect on the
conduct of the Speaker or [any] other presiding officer.” Rule 51(f) says that
the member shall not “make a personal charge or accusation against a Member
. . .”
Mr. Speaker, the member from Cumberland
has clearly done that on two occasions now. I would ask you to make him
withdraw and apologize for his remarks.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I ask that the member would withdraw
and apologize for that statement and do not impugn the character of members in
anything further that you say.
Jordan McPhail: — Thank you, Mr.
Speaker. I withdraw and apologize.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Cumberland.
Jordan McPhail: — Well thank you,
Mr. Speaker. I guess in closing I want to say how thankful I am that, when I
took office nearly a year ago, that I worked with the great people who work in
our building to ensure that our office was set up for success.
In doing so it has allowed me to stay
focused on what matters to people, and having a constituency office that is
able to handle casework from all over the province, from the beautiful people
who call this province home — whether they tell me about the very real
challenges they face in finding housing, or wanting justice for their family
members who have been wronged by this government, or helping people navigate
the services they deserve in our province.
I thank my CA [constituency assistant]
for ensuring our office remains stable and able to handle all business in a
manner that is with confidence and in confidence. It’s truly a relief to know
that we keep our office simple. We keep our values centred on delivering for
people in a responsible way without having to worry about how or who we have
watching. The softest pillow in Saskatchewan is one of a clean conscience, Mr.
Speaker, something that I know at least 27 of the members of this House have
going to bed tonight.
With that, I will move the motion:
That the Assembly
calls upon all members to ensure public dollars and resources are used in a
responsible manner consistent with all rules, laws, and regulations while
delivering good value for taxpayers.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — It has
been moved by the member from Cumberland:
That the Assembly calls upon all members to ensure public dollars and
resources are used in a responsible manner consistent with all rules, laws, and
regulations while delivering good value for taxpayers.
Is the
Assembly ready for the question? I recognize the member from Cut
Knife-Turtleford.
James
Thorsteinson: — Well thank
you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. All members of this Assembly are
elected by their constituents with the understanding they will be mindful in
the use of tax dollars that are spent. Though we may disagree on policy, Mr.
Deputy Speaker, and have some spirited debates around those policies, at the
end of the day we are all hon. members and working in the best interests of the
people of Saskatchewan, despite the members opposite attempting to disparage
both current and former members. That is why I am happy to enter into the 75‑minute
debate today and talk about all the ways in which our government is doing
exactly what is mentioned in the motion.
Responsible use of public funds isn’t
just good government, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It is key to maintaining the trust
and confidence of those we have the opportunity to represent. Ensuring that we
are delivering good value for every penny spent is something this government
takes very seriously. A perfect example of that is our ’26‑27 budget. In
these uncertain times globally, it is imperative that every dollar spent is
spent wisely and delivers value to the people of Saskatchewan. And that is
precisely what this budget does.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, think of the value
we see in health care, for example. Surely even the members opposite can see
the value in continuing the Victoria Hospital expansion project in Prince
Albert. This hospital serves a large portion of Saskatchewan, and this
expansion will make it easier for the residents of northern Saskatchewan to
receive the care they need in a location closer to home.
Think about the completion of the urgent
care centre in Saskatoon and the expansion of the new urgent care centres to
North Battleford, Prince Albert, and Moose Jaw. I know the residents of those
communities and the surrounding areas can see the value in that.
Mr. Speaker, think about the largest
long-term care facility project in the province, currently under construction
right here in Regina. That is a good value for the future residents of that
facility.
Think about the investment we’re making
in the continued planning for the new hospital in Yorkton that will benefit not
only the residents of Yorkton but a large portion of east central Saskatchewan.
These are just a few of the projects that are a responsible use of public
dollars and deliver good value for the taxpayers of Saskatchewan.
And, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that is just on
the capital side of health care. We are also investing in the human side as
well in a responsible manner that will provide outstanding value to the
residents of our province. Let’s consider for a moment some of the investments
we are making in increasing training seats for our medical professionals here
in Saskatchewan.
We’re increasing the number of seats at
the College of Medicine at the University of Saskatchewan with an increased
focus on Saskatchewan students as well as increasing the number of residency
seats. We’re increasing the number of training seats for nurse practitioners
and providing RNs [registered nurse] in the province a grant to enable them to
more easily pursue their nurse practitioner training.
On top of that, we are adding training
seats for the physician assistant program, occupational therapists,
speech-language pathologists — maybe I could use one — and respiratory
therapists, Mr. Deputy Speaker. That is both responsible and valuable.
As well, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as was
mentioned earlier today, how about the $3 million spent on the TB centre
to prevent and treat tuberculosis across the province? Surely the members
opposite can see that as responsible and valuable.
There is much more I could talk about on
how we are investing in health care, but there are so many other ways in which
we are investing in this province across government that is both responsible
and valuable.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, few things deliver
more value than investing in research. Conservative estimates place a return of
over 30 to 1 for every dollar spent in research. Our government recognizes the
immense value in the research done here in the province, and that is why we
continue to invest in many different research projects all across Saskatchewan.
Facilities such as the Livestock and
Forage Centre of Excellence; the Crop Development Centre; the Global Institute
for Food Security, or GIFS; and the Vaccine and Infectious Disease
Organization, or VIDO, and many more organizations all continue to benefit from
the investments our government is making in research. That is definitely a
responsible use of taxpayer dollars and is of huge value to the residents of
Saskatchewan.
Mr. Speaker, there is no better advocate
for the province of Saskatchewan than our Premier, and recent trade missions to
India and China have delivered immense value to the producers, agricultural
producers, mining producers of our province, even though members opposite have
come out and decried them on multiple occasions.
This Premier’s recent trips to China
have reduced the tariffs on canola, which is great news for our canola
producers across the province. His trip to India resulted in the pulse protein
centre, which is a great opportunity for pulse producers in this province to
get their peas and lentils into India and help serve those most vulnerable in
India — children, pregnant women — to provide them with a reliable, safe source
of protein as they go through their challenges.
Also the Cameco deal in India, which is
$2.6 billion coming back to this province that is definitely more good
value for the people of Saskatchewan. You take that, and with all the trade
offices we’ve got around the world, it is huge value for all of Saskatchewan
and our trade export and being able to get our product overseas into other
markets. That is huge value for the residents of Saskatchewan and a very
responsible use of money.
Mr. Speaker, this last budget invested
heavily in policing. We are investing fully in the RCMP [Royal Canadian Mounted
Police]. We are increasing the number of marshals across the province to go
after those most dangerous and violent criminals, gangs, people who are
trafficking in illegal guns and illicit drugs.
We are investing in more municipal
police officers across the province in attempt to try and reduce crime. We are
also investing in small towns and RMs [rural municipality] for their local
policing with giving them a grant for their policing. If even one person is
saved because of the increased policing in this province, that isn’t just value
for your money, Mr. Speaker; that is invaluable.
We
have the Public Accounts Committee, which I am happy to be the Deputy Chair of,
Mr. Speaker, which is chaired by the member from Regina Mount Royal. And they
look at that auditor’s findings and they go through it and they question the
auditor. They question officials and they go through that. That is responsible,
Mr. Speaker.
We
have the Conflict of Interest Commissioner. We all file our Conflict of
Interest Commissioner reports. They were due here the other day. And he goes
through them and ensures that we are very on top and following the rules.
All
of these items are just a few examples of how our government is ensuring public
dollars are used responsibly and provide value to the province of Saskatchewan
and its residents. And they’re all included in this year’s budget, a budget the
members opposite voted against.
[11:30]
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from Regina
University.
Sally Housser: — Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’m
delighted today to rise on this motion from my wonderful colleague, the MLA for
Cumberland:
That
the Assembly calls upon all members to ensure public dollars and resources are
used in a responsible manner consistent with all rules, laws, and regulations
while delivering good value for taxpayers.
Mr.
Speaker, I’m going to talk a lot today about the importance of trust in our
democratic institutions. I started my kind of, I guess, nascent career in
politics as a parliamentary Page in the House of Commons way back in 1998. Now
I’d visited the federal legislature, the House of Commons, before that. But
working on the floor and serving all members of the legislature equally was
honestly such a thrill and a really important beginning, set me very much on
the path that I’ve been on since for better or for worse.
But
one of the things that became so clear during that period of time, both for the
Pages and what was expected of us, i.e. no partisanship; you had to serve every
member of the legislature equally, regardless of where they were elected; had
to be bilingual, of course, so you could serve all members in their official
language. But also in terms of the ethics that were expected of us even at the
ages of 17, 18, and 19. The importance of confidentiality. You heard all sorts
of things behind the curtains and in the government and opposition lobbies.
And
so that was very . . . The seriousness with which we were expected to
take our jobs at that young age was really, really imparted onto us almost each
and every day. But with that, obviously observing the House of Commons and the
proceedings and the various different parties, it became clear how important
that that public trust in their elected officials to do the right thing was at
the cornerstone of everything that we were doing there in the House of Commons,
Mr. Speaker.
And
I was there during a time there was kind of . . . it was toward the
end days of the Mulroney Airbus scandals and at the beginning days of the
sponsorship scandal or Adscam. And you know, in addition to watching the
proceedings in the House on those scandals and those issues, I was obviously
more than casually aware of people talking about them and how it was perceived
in the media, and the importance of elected officials and politicians being
held to a higher standard, frankly.
And
not just, you know, upholding the letter of the law, but you know, there’s
. . . I honestly can’t remember where this quote comes from, but it’s
often said that ethics is knowing the difference between what you have a right
to do and doing what is right. And so the public has not just, you know, a real
interest in how people behave, but it’s also you have to hold that higher
standard of perception as well.
And
going back to that kind of period of scandals — and this happens any time you
have news of corruption or scandal or impropriety — is that the public at large
has a view of “a pox on all of their houses; they are simply not here for us;
they are all the same.”
And
when we look at, you know, ever-increasing voter turnout numbers — not just in
Saskatchewan but across Canada and really across the world — it is those type
of issues that really erode people’s public trust and their desire to see
themselves in their elected officials, and their ability to believe that things
can and will get better and that politicians are there for them and not for
themselves.
And
this is . . . You know, for the history, as long as there’s been
politics, there have been scandals and corruption. It’s not new but obviously
it takes on a different tone in the era of the internet and social media. And
you know, again this goes to kind of perhaps the ethics as opposed to actually
corruption, is people also want to know that when an elected official is
telling them something, that that thing is true.
And
now there’s a very real and wide difference between spin, trying to put the
best take on your political position or, you know, a policy announcement that
you’ve made . . . You know, there’s a very real difference between
political communications and spin, and simply not telling the truth. And that
again is something that vastly erodes the public trust in their politicians.
You
know, another quote — and this one I do know who it’s by — is Joe Biden:
“Corruption is a cancer that eats away at a citizen’s faith in democracy.” And
you know, this is why I think it’s so important, Mr. Speaker, that we truly
reflect on the weight of what it is to be an elected official. The weight of
the trust not only to represent the individual that has put you here, that has
elected you, or the population as a whole that has elected a government or
elected members of the opposition. Not just to advocate for you and that you
will do so in good faith to the best of your ability, but also they need to
know that the tax dollars — of which they pay a lot particularly since the PST
[provincial sales tax] hike in 2017 — that the tax dollars are being used
widely and prudently in a way that benefits the public the most.
And
that goes not only for the priorities that a government sets. You know, I think
the public really hates to see massive amounts of waste such as the AIMS
[administrative information management system] scandal or the GTH [Global
Transportation Hub] bypass boondoggle. You know, when you see costs ballooning
. . . Even when we look at the recent reports of refurbishing the
coal fire power plants, the population was told one thing, and we now see that
that cost has gone through the stratosphere.
And
so there’s that side. They want people to be honest. They know building things,
doing things in government are going to cost money. But when you undersell what
the reality is, again people go, why can I believe that anything is going to
cost anything? And you see that now, honestly. When somebody says, oh, this is
going to be the cost of this new project, people go, ah, no, it isn’t, right?
And so why would I even bother paying attention?
But
in addition to the larger coffers of a provincial government, people expect us
to follow the regulations that exist in this, and again, not just to the letter
but so that we can be perceived beyond reproach, that there is no perception of
wrongdoing. That’s what people expect from us.
You
know, people see us as — and we are — very privileged in terms of the jobs we
have and then the fortune we have to represent people, and they want to know
that you are behaving in a way that is honourable and respects their taxpayer
money as well. And you know, going back to . . . I mean even if we
look at the Devine era, there was 12 members of that Conservative government
that were charged with fraud. It was so bad they had to rebrand as the Sask
Party in order to move forward, Mr. Speaker. But you know, at that time, the
damage that that did to the political process here in Saskatchewan I think was
really immeasurable.
And
so I think it behooves all of us here in this legislature to really kind of
take a look internally, not just of . . . again going back to that
quote, not just what you have the right to do, but what is in fact right to do,
and hold ourselves to that standard collectively. There are regulations that
have been put in place in this House. They are there for a reason. A lot of
them were put in place after that Devine era and for good measure.
So
you know, I think for respect for the voting public, for respect for this
institution, Mr. Speaker, we should all follow that. And with that, Mr.
Speaker, I am delighted to be speaking and supporting the motion from my hon.
colleague and friend, the MLA for Cumberland. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from Yorkton.
David Chan: — Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased
today to speak to the motion before the House. Let me start off by saying that
I agree with this motion. There’s nothing in it that is controversial. It says
what everyone already believes, what everyone expects of public service.
There’s no one in this Assembly that disagrees with what’s written in the
motion. Government spending should be done in a responsible manner. Agreed. It
should follow rules and laws. Agreed. And it should provide value to the
public. Again, agreed.
However,
Mr. Speaker, that’s a 30,000‑foot view of what it actually takes. In the
real world, decisions have to be made against competing priorities. They must
address real-world economic conditions, must work within constraints, and must
make difficult determinations between trade-offs.
Governing
responsibly is not done by merely making slogans or motions or applying
critique void of context. It is done in making decisions — often difficult ones
— under pressure with real consequences for the people we serve, and owning
those decisions. But, Mr. Speaker, that’s what our government is good at.
Our
approach to governing has always been guided by a few core principles. First,
the government does not create wealth; it manages the resources generated by
the people and businesses of this province. And that means every dollar
entrusted to us must be treated with care and discipline and purpose.
Second,
that government must be effective but not excessive. That means government is
not the solution to every problem. More government is not necessarily the
answer. Instead, government must be focused, efficient, and deliberate in how
it operates and how it spends.
And
third, that responsible spending is not simply about limiting costs, it’s about
making the right investments — investments that enable growth, that strengthen
communities, and ensure long-term stability. And if there’s one thing that this
government is, it is stable.
These
are not just some fancy ideas. These are principles that shape how we make
decisions day in and day out. But, Mr. Speaker, it’s not enough to simply have
principles or even to simply keep them. We don’t operate in a vacuum and we
don’t just do whatever we want according to our whims. We operate within
systems of accountability that are embedded in the structure of our
institution. We operate within systems that hold us accountable, and these are
non-partisan systems that ensure public dollars are scrutinized, reviewed, and
spent appropriately. So let’s mention a few of these systemic safeguards.
I’m
on the Public Accounts Committee. The Public Accounts Committee is made up of
members from both sides of the House, provides ongoing oversight of government
spending, and reviews the work of the auditor — the auditor and her team, who
are independent of government. Through that process, we’re not only subject to
scrutiny, we participate in it.
And
I’m proud of what I’ve seen from our government and I’ll stand by it any day.
Our ministers and ministries engage with the findings of the auditor. We
respond to recommendations. We either comply or we make progress consistently
towards strengthening accountability, transparency, and best practices.
We
have also an independent Conflict of Interest Commissioner who ensures that
members are held to clear, ethical standards. We have a Board of Internal
Economy which governs the rules related to members’ expenditures. And
importantly, Mr. Speaker, the board is not controlled by one side. It includes
representation from across this Assembly. By design it is non-partisan.
We
also have the Legislative Assembly Service, which administers and oversees
expenditures to ensure they are processed and managed within established rules.
So when we speak about responsible use of public funds, we’re not just speaking
in the abstract. We are not speaking about a rogue government that can do
whatever it wants. We are speaking about a government that subjects itself to a
system, one that is structured, accountable, and committed to continuously
improving.
But,
Mr. Speaker, good governance and responsible spending is not only about rules
and systems. It is also about results. So let’s talk value for a moment. And
this is where I believe we need to bring clarity to another phrase in this
motion: “good value for taxpayers.” Value is not defined simply in what is
spent, by how much or how little. It’s defined in what that spending actually
produces. What do you get for it? What do we get for the money that we spend?
[11:45]
Mr.
Speaker, they say you can tell a lot about what a person values based on their
spending. Well let’s apply that to our government. If you were only to look at
our track record and what we’ve achieved, there are a number of things you
could infer about the value this government seeks to create for the taxpayer
dollars it spends.
You
could easily infer that, to this government, value means constructing an
economic environment that attracts investment and creates opportunity. That’s
why there are 60 major private capital projects in this province, valued at
over $60 billion in investment. Unprecedented across Canada. A milestone
achievement in our province’s own history. That’s why we have the highest real
GDP [gross domestic product] growth and the second-highest credit rating across
Canada.
Value
means ensuring that infrastructure supports growth and productivity. That’s why
this year’s budget invests a record 4.3 billion into infrastructure, the
largest infrastructure investment in our province to date. That infrastructure,
in addition to highways and transportation networks, includes energy
infrastructure, communication infrastructure, water security, and it also
includes schools, hospitals, and post-secondary institutions that develop our
labour force.
Because
value, Mr. Speaker, also means strengthening services so that people can live,
work, and raise their families with confidence in their communities. For the
people that I represent, the people of Yorkton, Mr. Speaker, that value is not
just words. It’s not just hypothetical. It’s tangible. It’s real.
For
example, Suncrest College is one of the beneficiaries of the largest ever
investment by our government into operational funding, with a 3 per cent lift
each year for the next five years. This funding is critical, Mr. Speaker,
because it provides stability for planning, growth, and effective programming.
That’s our government recognizing the crucial role post-secondary institutions
like Suncrest College play in producing a skilled workforce and partnering with
them to see real results for our province, for our businesses, for our
industries, and for our students.
Let’s
continue. Funding for Yorkton’s SaskAbilities’ dementia friendly life
enrichment program, a program that helps so many families and individuals
living with dementia. Mr. Speaker, that’s value.
A
strong 50 per cent funding commitment to Grain Millers Drive, not a provincial
road but a crucial economic corridor nonetheless within the jurisdiction of a
local RM. Again value, Mr. Speaker.
Dropping
the community share for our new hospital from 35 per cent to 20 per cent to now
10 per cent. Mr. Speaker, for the folks in Yorkton, that’s value. In the tens
of millions, I might add.
Expanding
the rural physician incentive program to Yorkton to help recruit and retain
more doctors. Mr. Speaker, for my constituents, for the ones who are looking
for doctors, that’s value.
The
patients-first health care plan, an incredible plan put forward by this
government. It puts aggressive funding towards getting more nurse practitioners
offering primary care. Funding and policies that remove barriers empowers nurse
practitioners to work to the full scope of their training, empowers nurse
practitioners to lead team-based primary care clinics, gives them the same
opportunities as physicians to offer care to seniors, dramatically expands the
nurse practitioner training seats in our province, and more.
Mr.
Speaker, that’s just one aspect of this plan. And that’s going to mean better
access, better care, reduced bottlenecks, shorter wait times. Mr. Speaker,
that’s not just throwing dollars at a problem. That’s leveraging existing
capacity and maximizing return. That is dollars getting results. Again, Mr.
Speaker, value.
I’ll
continue: $357,000 in municipal police grants to put boots on the ground in
Yorkton. That’s tangible improvement to community safety, as well as
intersecting safety with mental health support for our most vulnerable. That’s
value.
I
could go on, Mr. Speaker. I could go on about the affordability measures, the
increased tax exemptions, the lower provincial income taxes, increasing your
supplement. Again, all value.
So
yes, Mr. Speaker, we agree with the principle in this motion. But let’s be
clear: responsible government is not in statements like this. It’s in how the
government operates every day through discipline, prudent decisions, through
systems of accountability, and commitment to continuous improvement, and
through real results for the people that we serve, results that I’ve just
highlighted from my own constituency.
Mr.
Speaker, this government does more than just talk about value. We deliver it.
Every budget, every year. We don’t just call for responsibility; we practise
it. We embrace the weight of responsibility of making real decisions, and that
is a standard we will continue to uphold for the people of Yorkton and for the
people of all Saskatchewan. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Silverspring.
Hugh Gordon: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It’s a
pleasure to be on my feet to engage in this debate today, an important debate I
think we would all agree. And where I’d like to start I think, Mr. Speaker, is
members of the opposite side always like to go back 30 years ago and talk about
what a horrendous time it was in the ’90s. And I’d like to discuss one of those
very interesting moments.
In
April of 1995, the Saskatchewan RCMP charged 12 former Progressive Conservative
MLAs, two caucus staff workers, with fraud in a scheme that ran from 1987 to
1991. Project Fiddle was tasked with looking into a scheme whereby the
government caucus agreed to pool a portion of their communications allowance
into a central account. The party’s director of communications siphoned cash
from this account and stashed it in safety deposit boxes. Another former
staffer alleged that this was common knowledge and that if you needed money,
all you had to do was just go to this director of communications.
Members
of the Devine government treated this fund like their own personal ATMs
[automated teller machine]. Former cabinet ministers and MLAs spent tens of
thousands of dollars on personal expenditures, everything from vacations to
Hawaii to personally embroidered saddles. Money was distributed through
invoices from a series of shell companies, of all things, for services that
were never rendered or expenses that were illegitimate. Overall the fraudulent
expense claims totalled approximately $837,000.
Police
were first alerted to the scheme in 1991 when a legislative Clerk reported
suspicious activities. In 1992 bank officials drilled into an unclaimed safety
deposit box that contained $150,000. The box was addressed to the PC
[Progressive Conservative] caucus office in the Saskatchewan legislature.
Nineteen staff or MLAs were charged in the scheme and 15 were convicted,
including 10 cabinet members and a caucus Chair, with many serving jail time.
The
director of communications was sentenced to two years in prison. A former MLA,
whose defence claimed that he was too financially incompetent to have committed
fraud, was sentenced to 18 months. The stiffest sentence went to a former
caucus Chair at three and a half years. Many other PC party members were
convicted in the scandal. Sadly a former cabinet minister died by suicide in
1995 when he learned that, in addition to testifying against his colleagues,
that he too would be arrested.
So
complete was this humiliation the PCs had to merge with the provincial Liberals
and change their name to the Saskatchewan Party. You know, Mr. Speaker, this
case was so horrendous it continues to serve as a warning to every elected
member, not just in this Assembly but in this country. When people of this
province learn of unscrupulous dealings on the part of their elected
representatives, they rightly get concerned. They ask questions and demand that
their representatives be held to account.
These
were the kinds of cases that I worked on as a commercial crime investigator in
the RCMP. And even though Project Fiddle was before my time, Mr. Deputy
Speaker, I carried on with this kind of work in the commercial crime unit in
Saskatoon. One of the first cases I worked on involved a multi-year
investigation of numerous elected officials who had misappropriated money from
their community.
Speaking
from experience, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I can tell you these investigations can be
quite complex. They take a long time to investigate. They involve witness
interviews, production orders, search warrants, and reems of documents that
require hours, days, and weeks of careful, painstaking analysis. Such was the
work that I did with some joy and a good deal of satisfaction, Mr. Deputy
Speaker, because when my investigation was complete, I could with some
certainty know that the charges that were laid were likely to lead to a
conviction, and that some measure of justice would be sought for the members of
the community or the victims of this kind of offence.
You
know, Mr. Speaker, when we’re elected as representatives of our communities, we
are entrusted with the solemn obligation to shepherd the money and the assets
of our communities in a responsible way. We are indeed public trustees. And
when an elected official abuses the money and the assets entrusted to them to
safeguard, it’s more than the trust with our communities that has been broken.
It’s more than some moral or ethical line that has been crossed. It can very
well indeed be a legal one as well.
And
this case that I mentioned, like the PC expense scandal before it, was no
different. In that case, nine individuals were charged with either fraud over
or theft over $5,000 and breach of trust under section 336 of the Criminal
Code.
I
went on to work on several other fraud cases involving elected officials and
the like. And in one such case for which he was convicted, I recall asking the
elected official under investigation, “As a leader of your community, who’s
responsibility is it to ensure that your community’s financial interests are
protected?” And his answer to me was, that’s a pretty good question.
No
kidding. Unfortunately for him, that was a pretty bad answer. And apparently
the judge agreed, and that man was given a three-year sentence for defrauding
his community of vital monies that were earmarked to help people in his
community.
Now
with that PC expense scandal, you would think that the lessons to each of us as
elected representatives would still have some relevance and some significance.
So when a member of this Assembly doesn’t follow the rules set out by the Board
of Internal Economy or LAS [Legislative Assembly Service], things can cross a
line, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
When
they clearly violate conflict-of-interest rules, like when a government member
gives inside information to a business associate on an impending land deal or
when a cabinet minister uses their position to influence foreign investors to
put money into their own business, not only have they crossed a line with
respect to any rules or policies that this Assembly has put forth, but they are
most likely going to spur the start of a project called F-something-or-other,
started by the RCMP. Maybe project fraudster would be the next appropriate
title.
And
when dollars aren’t being used for personal gain, we have seen — as we’ve seen
several examples mentioned by the member from Cumberland — where this
government has not responsibly shepherded taxpayers’ money to ensure the money
went towards its intended purpose or that some semblance of value was secured
for the taxpayer.
But
yet our obligation to the taxpayers and the people of this province remains the
same as it ever was. Their money is not our money. It isn’t the Premier’s or
the Finance minister’s money. It isn’t any other minister’s money, for that
matter. Our solemn obligation, Mr. Deputy Speaker, remains the same. Are we
getting value for the taxpayer, for the people of Saskatchewan? And is that
money going towards its intended purpose?
So
much money has been wasted by this government. It hasn’t happened all at once.
It has come in chunk after wasteful chunk, each time costing the taxpayers of
this province more and more money. So poor have been the decisions by this
government in health care, in education, in botched contracts, in general
operations, I would dare say that borders on criminal — not literally, Mr.
Deputy Speaker, but figuratively.
And
the people of this province see it. They’re living with the consequences of it.
Every time they go to an ER [emergency room] in rural Saskatchewan or drop
their kids off at a school, they see it. Every dollar this government adds to
the provincial debt, that burden grows larger. So when one of us in this
Assembly plays fast and loose with our expense accounts, when we submit for
payments to things we know we aren’t entitled to, when we try to take just a
little bit more for ourselves and hope that no one else will notice, we give
all members of this Assembly a bad name. The public wonders, have you no
decency? And they will rightly question, for whose benefit are we governing?
And just because the cop hasn’t caught
you, doesn’t mean it’s still okay to keep doing what you were doing. We must be
better than that, Mr. Speaker. It is, after all, our solemn obligation. Thank
you.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Dakota-Arm River.
Barret Kropf: — Thank you, Mr.
Deputy Speaker. I’m pleased to rise today to speak to the motion put forward by
the members opposite. And I want to begin by saying something that may surprise
the opposition. I agree with this motion almost word for word.
[12:00]
It said every member of this Assembly
should ensure public dollars are used responsibly, consistent with all rules,
laws, and regulations, delivering good value for taxpayers. Absolutely, Mr.
Deputy Speaker. A great motion, except I would say, delivering great value, not
just good value. That’s exactly what the people of Dakota-Arm River sent me
here to do, and that’s what the people of this entire province expect all 61 of
us to do.
The question before us today is not
whether we agree on that principle; it’s which party actually is delivering on
it. And I would submit, Mr. Speaker, that the 2026‑27 budget, tabled by
the Minister of Finance, does exactly that. It protects Saskatchewan families
with record investment in health care, education, community safety, and
infrastructure without raising taxes and without cutting services.
So let’s talk about what this budget
delivers, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and let me speak to what taxpayers are getting in
terms of great value when it comes to our patients-first health care plan, a
record $8.5 billion investment in health care, the largest in the
province’s history. The patients-first health care plan is connecting every
Saskatchewan resident to a primary care provider and reducing surgery wait
times to three months by 2028. The largest expansion of nurse practitioners in
provincial history; 500 addiction treatment spaces being completed;
$1.9 million for hospital public safety teams in Regina, Saskatoon, and
Prince Albert.
When it comes to the education and how
we’re adding great value with this budget, Mr. Deputy Speaker,
$2.5 billion in school operating funding, up 62 million from previous
years. New schools in the Martensville-Warman multi-use school, the Shellbrook
school, and the major renovation in Esterhazy. The $10‑a-day child care
agreement that’s been renewed. A new multi-year post-secondary funding
agreement — 3 per cent annual increases over the next four years. Those are
great values being added to Saskatchewan, Mr. Speaker.
When it comes to affordability:
$200 million in personal income tax relief, which means no tax on your
first $65,000 in household income; over $2.5 billion in annual
affordability measures; the small-business tax held back 1 per cent.
Then let’s talk about great value when
it comes to infrastructure in our communities: $4.3 billion capital
budget, one of the largest in Saskatchewan’s history; $417 million for
highway infrastructure, improving 850 kilometres of highway this year; a record
$392.4 million in municipal revenue sharing, more than triple what it was
in 2007; $310 million supporting RCMP and First Nations policing.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, that’s what
responsible use of public dollars looks like, and that’s what delivering value
for taxpayers looks like.
Now let me expose the NDP’s
contradiction. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the members opposite bring forward this
motion about responsible spending, and let’s talk about what they’ve actually
been asking for. In the weeks leading up to this budget, what did the NDP
demand? More spending on health care, more spending on education, a freeze on
power rates, a cut to the gas tax, more money for policing, more support for
housing. And yet when the budget came forward, a budget that invested in every
single one of those areas, Mr. Deputy Speaker, every member opposite voted
against it — every single one. They voted against it 33 to 18.
Mr. Speaker, let me be clear with what a
no vote on this budget means. Eighteen members opposite voted against record
health care investment. They voted against new schools for Saskatchewan
families. They voted against $200 million in income tax relief. They voted
against record municipal revenue sharing for communities across the province.
They voted against 850 kilometres for highway improvements. And now they stand
and lecture this side of the House about responsible use of public dollars.
You cannot simultaneously demand the
government spend more, then criticize them for spending. You have to pick one
lane, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The NDP wants to have it both ways, and Saskatchewan
people see through it. I invite any member opposite to stand in this House
today and tell us specifically which of those investments would they cut. Which
school would they cancel? Which hospital bed would they take away? Which
community would lose their revenue sharing? We never get the answer, Mr.
Speaker, because they don’t have one.
When it comes to fiscal responsibility
in this context, Mr. Deputy Speaker, let me address the deficit directly
because the members opposite want to talk about the numbers without any
context. Yes, we are projecting an $819 million deficit. We’re honest
about that, and the reason is straightforward. We are operating in period of
unprecedented global insecurity — American tariffs, the conflict in the Middle
East, volatile energy markets. Every province in this country is facing these
pressures.
But here’s what sets Saskatchewan apart.
Our per capita deficit is the second lowest in the nation. We are one of the
few provinces in Canada with a detailed year-by-year plan to return to surplus
by 2030‑31.
Our budget uses a conserve oil price
assumption, and independent analysts at RBC [Royal Bank of Canada] and
Scotiabank have noticed that this gives us a material revenue upside.
Saskatchewan remains the second-least indebted province in Canada. That is what
fiscal responsibility looks like: being transparent with the public about the
challenges, making smart investments in the priorities, and charting a clear
path back to balance.
Here’s what we get for value in our
communities, Mr. Speaker. I want to speak briefly about what good value for
taxpayers means in Dakota-Arm River and across rural Saskatchewan because this
budget isn’t just numbers on a page; it’s real investment in real communities.
The rural integrated roads for growth
program received an additional $2 million, now at 20.4 million. That
matters when my constituents are driving on the highways every day. The highway
infrastructure of $417 million is improving safety and connectivity for
the 45 communities that I represent.
$42 million in school preventative
maintenance and renewal funding specifically for divisions outside of Regina
and Saskatoon. Police grants up to $8.6 million including support for SCAN
[safer communities and neighbourhoods] in small-town and rural police grants.
Over $8 million for MRS [municipal revenue sharing] into Dakota-Arm River.
That’s real protection for my rural families, Mr. Speaker. And that’s value and
rural Saskatchewan sees it.
We also have incredible value in
provincial investments. We have used our trade offices to not only attract
export opportunities for Saskatchewan businesses, but those trade offices have
also fostered relationships and helped us build trade policy that’s one of the
best in the world.
It’s been stated many times in the last
month in this Chamber that we have over 60 projects being invested in here in
Saskatchewan worth over $62 billion. So do our investment and trade
offices count as wise stewardship of provincial resources? Absolutely. The
$12 billion data centre with Bell kick-starts us into the AI [artificial
intelligence] space, letting the world know that we are innovators.
On Tuesday I was with the Minister of
Trade and Export in Saskatoon at the University of Saskatchewan to watch the
announcement of quanTA [Quantum Topology and Its Applications], the first of
its kind quantum computer in any Canadian university, Mr. Speaker. It is a
brilliant, worthwhile investment to intersect with the other world-class
research projects at the U of S, and it will allow data that we are gathering
with our current research projects to put that data on steroids and help shape
the future in innovation.
Innovation is attracting innovation. We
are the Silicon North. That, Mr. Speaker, is how our government is giving
incredible value to our provincial resources.
In closing, Mr. Speaker, this motion
asks all members to ensure public dollars and resources are used responsibly
and deliver good value. I could not agree more. And I’m proud to be part of a
government that is doing exactly that: investing in health care, investing in
education, investing in infrastructure, making life more affordable, keeping
taxes low, and charting a responsible path back to balance.
The members opposite voted against every
one of those investments. They demand more spending and then criticize the
spending. They offer no alternatives, no costed plan, no specifics. They want
to lecture us about fiscal responsibility from a party whose last government
closed 52 hospitals, sold Crown assets, and left this province stagnant.
Saskatchewan people know the difference between the government that invests in
the future and an opposition that just complains about it.
I will be supporting this motion, Mr.
Speaker, because this government is delivering exactly what it describes:
responsible, effective, great-value investment in the people and communities of
Saskatchewan. Thank you.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — The 65‑minute period has
expired. The 10‑minute question-and-answer period will begin. I recognize
the member from Martensville-Blairmore.
Hon. Jamie
Martens: —
To the member from Saskatoon Silverspring: this government’s 2026‑27
budget includes investments into important health care and education facilities
for communities like Saskatoon. Do you agree that these investments represent
good value for taxpayers’ money? And why did you vote against it?
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Silverspring.
Hugh Gordon: — Okay, Mr. Speaker,
I don’t agree with spending three times as much on financing the debt you guys
have racked up — they have racked up, Mr. Deputy Speaker — than we do on
policing services in this province. And we’ve been warning this government, Mr.
Deputy Speaker, for years about their waste and mismanagement. And we could
not, and I could not, in good conscience support a government that put us one
extra dollar further into debt. It’s a lack of priorities.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Cumberland.
Jordan McPhail: — Thank you very
much, Mr. Speaker. To the member from Yorkton: does he think it was okay for
the Minister of Health to accept his Christmas bonus cheque for $2,000 for his
business even after being warned by the Conflict of Interest Commissioner?
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I’m going to rule that question out
of order and ask that you pose another question.
Jordan McPhail: — Thank you, Mr.
Speaker. To the member from Yorkton: why did the government need to pay
$12 million to Brandt so they would sign an NDA [nondisclosure agreement]
about the CNIB [Canadian National Institute for the Blind] scandal?
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from Yorkton.
David Chan: — Thank you, Mr.
Deputy Speaker. You know, this conversation, this debate is really about being
a responsible government, getting good value for taxpayer dollars. And if you
look at the record of this government, if you look at our track record, you can
see that what we’ve done over our five-term government is build a strong
economy that works for, you know, that’s benefiting everyone and that’s
providing money for us to invest in services. And I’m proud of the record that
this government has.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from Last
Mountain-Touchwood.
Travis Keisig: — Thank you, Mr.
Deputy Speaker. To the member from Saskatoon Silverspring: do you believe our
government’s multi-year funding agreement with post-secondary institutions that
allows these institutions to cap their tuition increase to zero to 3 per cent
is good value for taxpayers?
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I
recognize the member from Saskatoon Silverspring.
Hugh Gordon: — What isn’t a good
value for taxpayers, Mr. Speaker, is when a government doesn’t prioritize our
post-secondary education and support our students right from the very
beginning. We’re seeing layoffs at Sask Poly. This is going to deeply affect
our economic outlook and the ability to attract bright minds in this province.
So no, you’re not doing a good job on that.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I recommend . . . I
recognize the member from Regina — and I always forget — Regina University.
Sally Housser: — Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I do come
highly recommended all the time.
To the member
from Yorkton: does the member from Yorkton agree that in order to maintain
public trust that the letter of the legislative regulations must be followed?
And that when it’s identified that those regulations are in breach, that
immediate action must be taken to rectify that?
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from Yorkton.
David Chan: — Mr. Speaker, I first want to start off by
saying that we are all hon. members. And we have systems in place, independent
oversight of the Legislative Assembly, the Public Accounts, the auditor. And as
I mentioned in our speech, our government actively participates in those
systems. We take the auditor’s recommendations. We comply with the
commissioner’s recommendations, the commissioner’s rulings. And so we
participate in these systems. We don’t operate in a vacuum. And I’m proud to
stand by what this government has on its record.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Martensville-Blairmore.
Hon. Jamie Martens: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. To the
member from Saskatoon Silverspring: do you agree with this government’s
municipal revenue-sharing system that delivers good value for Saskatchewan
taxpayers with no-strings-attached funding for municipalities?
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Silverspring.
Hugh Gordon: — Mr. Speaker, this government has got a
pretty poor record supporting our municipalities when they pulled the grant
funding from them in 2016, when they’ve downloaded more and more costs onto
them, expecting them to deal with homelessness, to deal with addictions, deal
with mental health. Little to no supports for them for that, Mr. Speaker.
This
is also a government that expects them to build schools faster but cut the
capital budget, and a government, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that wanted to compete
with the city of Regina for Costco for their own GTH. Thank you.
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Cumberland.
Jordan McPhail: — Well thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I have a question for the member from Dakota-Arm River. How many hundreds of
millions of dollars were spent on AIMS before you thought it had gone too far?
[12:15]
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Dakota-Arm River.
Barret Kropf: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. And
thank you for the question from the member opposite. When it comes to the
deficiencies that are in the game plan of this debate today, we’re not going to
dip down into . . . We’re going to continue to talk about the
strength of our budget that we just put forward that they decided to vote
against, and we’re going to make sure that we continue to protect the families
of Saskatchewan.
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from Last
Mountain-Touchwood.
Travis Keisig: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. To the
member from Saskatoon Silverspring: if you support the responsible use of
public dollars, how do you justify opposing a budget that delivers clear,
positive outcomes for Saskatchewan families including new schools, expanded
health care capacity, and major affordability measures?
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Silverspring.
Hugh Gordon: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. This
coming from a member of the opposite side that gerrymandered a contract to take
away valuable jobs from a local business, an entire contract . . .
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I’m sorry. The conversation around
gerrymandering, that needs to be withdrawn and apologized for.
Hugh Gordon: — I withdraw and apologize, Mr. Deputy
Speaker.
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Silverspring.
Hugh Gordon: — This coming from a government that
decided to end 60 good-paying jobs in Saskatchewan and added a contract onto
the backs of the Saskatchewan taxpayers with additional tire fees. I will not
be taking lessons from the opposite side.
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from Regina
University.
Sally Housser: — Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Can
the member from Yorkton tell me how he feels about the government having paid
nuns $11,000 an acre for their land and Sask Party insiders $103,000 an acre
for that same land?
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from Yorkton.
David Chan: — Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And
I thank the member opposite for the question. Our government takes
accountability and transparency very seriously, and that’s why we work within
the systems that are built in, embedded into the structure of this institution.
And
we do that day in and day out. We make complex decisions. And what we don’t do
is we don’t reduce complex administrative matters into simplistic conclusions.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Martensville-Blairmore.
Hon. Jamie Martens: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. To the
member from Saskatoon Silverspring: do you believe that a new joint-use high
school in Martensville and Warman, plus a new pre-K to 12 [pre-kindergarten to
grade 12] school in Shellbrook, and a major renovation in Esterhazy High School
are projects to give good value to taxpayers’ dollars?
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Saskatoon Silverspring.
Hugh Gordon: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Thank
you for the question. We on this side believe that we need to empower our
school boards to make those decisions and also to help support and fund those
decisions.
We
need a government, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that is actually capable of planning for
these kinds of facilities well in advance so that by the time they build a
school — maybe, hopefully, perhaps one day in Brighton — when it opens it is
not literally bursting at the seams like Sylvia Fedoruk School in my riding.
Thank you.
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from
Cumberland.
Jordan McPhail: — Well thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
My question is for the member from Yorkton. Do you believe that your government
followed all policies and procedures when they allegedly overspent
$100 million on water bombers in the North?
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — I recognize the member from Yorkton.
David Chan: — Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and
I thank the member opposite for the question. You know, the question is about
public trust, and it’s about whether the public can trust this government. And
I want to say that trust is something that’s built through working within those
systems of accountability. It’s built through structure, and it’s built through
showing up consistently.
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — The 75‑minute debate period
has expired.
[The Assembly resumed the adjourned debate on
the proposed motion by Barret Kropf.]
Deputy Speaker B. McLeod: — It is my duty pursuant to rule 27 to
advise the Assembly that this item of business has been previously adjourned
three times and cannot be further adjourned. At the conclusion of the debate or
at the normal time of adjournment, whichever is reached first, every question
that’s necessary to dispose of this motion shall be put.
I
recognize the member from Cannington.
Daryl Harrison: — Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Building
a pipeline to tidewater is imperative to get Western Canadian oil to world
markets. Having this access will ensure the energy the world needs is available
and provided in a safe and reliable manner.
Oil
produced right here in Saskatchewan is some of the most sustainably produced
anywhere on the planet. A pipeline to the West Coast is the safest and most
efficient way to deliver oil and oil products to port. A pipeline is far less
carbon intensive than either rail or truck.
There’s
a saying — keep the grain on the train and the oil in the pipeline. Our farmers
are growing more crops than ever before, and the best way to move our crops to
market is rail. Removing oil off rail and into a pipeline will free up capacity
on rail and allow additional room for crops. That’s Saskatchewan producers
feeding the world.
In
addition to having more capacity for grains, there will be increased capacity
for potash. Potash from our rapidly growing industry — the new BHP mine at
Jansen and the expansion of the K+S mine at Bethune, just to name a couple.
In
recent weeks, world events show the importance of energy security. Oil is a
primary energy source powering well over 90 per cent of global transportation,
not to mention electrical generation, heating, and it’s used in almost every
product we have in our daily lives. World oil demand continues to grow, and we
have the fuel they need. The issue: getting our most sustainably, ethically
produced oil in the world to the countries and people that need it. A pipeline
to the West Coast will do just that.
The
recent NDP leadership convention and their newly elected leader, Avi Lewis,
have made their position very clear, Mr. Deputy Speaker. They will not support
new pipelines and they will stop any expansion of the oil industry.
Mr.
Deputy Speaker, the opposition NDP leader can write all the letters she wants
trying to run away from her federal leader and the NDP policies, but they are
in lockstep, lockstep with their federal allies. They are firmly joined at the
hip. The NDP are not working for Saskatchewan.
Mr.
Deputy Speaker, I mention the federal NDP because no matter how many letters
the Leader of the Opposition writes, article 2.1 of their constitution directly
shows that membership in their provincial party automatically puts one in the
federal NDP as well. The NDP in Ottawa is the same NDP as is in Regina.
Mr.
Deputy Speaker, Saskatchewan is a landlocked province, and we rely on
transportation networks to get our goods to market. These networks include
rail, highways, and yes, pipelines. Our oil industry here in Saskatchewan has
been marketing oil at discounted prices of up to $20 per barrel for decades,
largely to geography.
Being
a landlocked province, our discounted oil has cost the province jobs and growth
in the oil industry. It’s cost the province economically, lost revenue for the
province — lost revenue that could have been used to build hospitals, long-term
care homes, and schools. Projects that invest in the province and provide a
better quality of life for the people of this great province. Hard to believe
the NDP don’t want to stand up and work for the people of Saskatchewan.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, the member from
Regina Elphinstone — this is Facebook quotes: “The tar sands are a bleeping
nightmare. Period.” Another quote from the same member, Mr. Deputy Speaker:
“Any political agenda that takes climate change seriously doesn’t have space
for the KM Trans Mountain expansion, and most regular people understand this
intuitively.”
Just
one more for good measure, Mr. Deputy Speaker: “If our society relies on a
destructive, finite resource, boom-bust economy to fix income inequality, well
this is a problem, but is not a reason to keep pumping oil.”
Mr. Deputy Speaker, the majority of Western Canadian oil
is shipped to the US [United States], a market, I might add, that is already
exporting oil at a rate of roughly 4 million barrels per day. Mr. Deputy
Speaker, does it make sense to sell oil into a market that produces more than
it consumes?
We
need to look at direct market expansion. This expansion requires a pipeline to
West Coast ports, making our oil accessible to every country around the world.
And creating competition would shrink the discount between West Texas
Intermediate and Western Canada Select crudes. This would benefit our province
and grow our oil industry here in Saskatchewan. It’s time to build our pipeline
capacity and stop leaving money on the table.
As
I said, Mr. Deputy Speaker, oil is a critical industry here in the province. I
spent over 30 years in that very same industry. And it has helped make our
communities thrive in not only my communities in southeast Saskatchewan, in
Cannington, but up in the Southwest — the member from Cypress — and up in the
Lloydminster area, up in the west central. It is critical. It provides jobs,
provides for families to raise our kids in such a dynamic community. There’s
generations of workers that work not only on pipelines, but in the operations,
the drilling, the servicing, the dirt movers, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It is
critical to keep those jobs going.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, the new federal
leader is very much against most of what Saskatchewan . . . Mr.
Deputy Speaker, the new leader of the federal NDP party will grant federal
approvals for no new pipelines, offshore oil products, or liquefied natural gas
terminals. Instead a large-scale investment to build a coast-to-coast clean
energy grid, promoting new renewable energy exports between provinces and
reducing economic dependence in the US, and to propel the rapid decarbonization
of our economy.
Mr. Speaker, that doesn’t speak to
growing Saskatchewan’s economy at all. And the Leader of the Opposition should
be ashamed to throw her support in with the federal leader.
[12:30]
Mr. Deputy Speaker, the new leader also
believes that the oil and gas companies should pay for his bold agenda and go
after fossil fuel companies that have made extraordinary profits at our
collective expense. An Avi-led NDP will push back against Trump and his tariffs
with a tax on oil and gas exports to the US, and institute a windfall profits
tax to help finance the energy transition and sustainable jobs.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, as I said before, I
spent over 30 years in the oil and gas sector . . . Mr. Deputy
Speaker, if they don’t mind, I’d like to carry on. But if they want to chatter
. . . Mr. Deputy Speaker, I proudly worked over 30 years in the oil
and gas industry. It has provided well for me and my family and several other
generations in my corner of the province.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, I’ve worked in the
tank trucking industry. We’ve imported oil from the US into Canada back in some
days. I’ve worked in the battery operating field, the blending field and, Mr.
Speaker, I’ve met so many wonderful people, some hard-working people that I
don’t think the members opposite respect at all. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as I said,
it’s been a tremendous opportunity for me and my family to work in the oil
field of southeast Saskatchewan. And that’s a story that can be repeated across
the entire province.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, oil and gas revenue
here in the province allows us to . . .
[Interjections]
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I’m just going
to call for order. And I’m only going to call for it once. Thank you.
Daryl Harrison: —
Mr. Deputy Speaker, oil and gas revenue helps pay for our patients-first health
care plan. It helps pay for our nurse practitioner access province-wide. It
helps with the expanded training. Mr. Deputy Speaker, it also pays for help to
train additional nurse practitioners here in the province, Saskatchewan-born
and raised nurse practitioners going to school.
We’ve increased the new target by 13 at
the U of S. We’ve . . .
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — Member from
Saskatoon Meewasin, I did ask you to come to order and I expect that will
happen. Thank you. I recognize the member from Cannington.
Daryl Harrison: —
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. As I said, the increased training seats at the U
of S for nurse practitioners, an increase of 13, so a total of 35 at the U of
S. The U of R [University of Regina] and Sask Poly, also an increase of 13 more
seats from the current 35 for a total of 48. Overall training increase in the
province, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is 26. That’s 83 training seats annually here in
the province, and that’s something that oil and gas helps pay for, and that’s
why we need a pipeline to the West Coast.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, I love Canadian oil
and gas, and I love pipelines. I support the motion moved by my friend and
colleague, the member from Dakota-Arm River:
That this Assembly
call upon the Government of Saskatchewan to support the development of a new
Canadian pipeline to carry Saskatchewan and Albertan oil to the West Coast of
Canada.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — The question
before the Assembly is a motion by the member from Dakota-Arm River. Is it the
pleasure of the Assembly to adopt the motion?
Some
Hon. Members: — Agreed.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — Carried. Call
in the members.
[The division bells rang from 12:35
until 12:41.]
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — The question
before the Assembly is a motion by the member for
Dakota-Arm River. All those in favour of the motion please stand.
[Yeas — 53]
Moe
Gartner
Marit
Cockrill
Reiter
Hindley
Harrison,
J.
Schmalz
Jenson
Weger
Keisig
Martens
Wilson
Beaudry
Rowden
Ross
McLeod,
T.
Carr
Crassweller
Steele
Young,
C.
Harrison,
D.
Weedmark
Kropf
Patterson
Bromm
Hilbert
Chan
Thorsteinson
Kasun
Beck
Ritchie
Burki
Wotherspoon
Love
Teed
Young,
A.
Clarke
Laliberte
McPhail
Sarauer
Breckner
Blakley
Grewal
ChiefCalf
Brar
Gordon
Warrington
Pratchler
Housser
Senger
Roy
McBean
[Nays — nil]
Principal
Clerk: — Mr. Speaker, those in favour of the
motion, 53; those opposed to the motion, zero.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — I declare the
motion carried. I recognize the Government House Leader.
Hon. Tim
McLeod: —
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I move that the Assembly do now adjourn.
Deputy
Speaker B. McLeod: — Just before I
announce the adjournment, we’ve reached the halfway point of the spring
session. And thank you so much for everyone, for your participation and
involvement. I wish you all the best during the holiday time period that we are
entering into. May it be a time of remembrance and celebration with your
families. Godspeed wish to you all. Have a great break.
This House stands adjourned until
Monday, April the 13th at 1:30 p.m.
[The Assembly adjourned at 12:45.]
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